The Yun has a 400mhz MIPS processor (and an 8-bit AVR for Arduino compatibility) that runs Linux and I would wager will never run a variant of Windows 10. Did somebody in marketing or whatever just search for Arduino and slap the first picture they saw on the slide?
Those are vary similar boards, but I don't think there identical. On the bottom right of the Arduino there are 4 holes that line up with six others on the left side of the board. Note how there not parrellel with the bottom. Now compare that with the windows show it's got a line on the left bit it's not continued on the right side.
My guess is it's a different Arduino board or an x86 board that's trying to fit the same form factor which uses similar chips in similar places.
Good catch! I suspect it is more like they wanted to convey the message Windows 10 can also be used in embedded applications currently covered by e.g. Windows Embedded Compact 7. Someone in marketing did an image search for "embedded board" or something, and added the best looking image, which accidentally turns out to be a Yun.
Yeah, weird they didn't put in an Intel Galileo or Edison, since those are actual embedded boards that can run Windows (Galileo at least, but I'd be shocked if Edison doesn't run Windows for IoT/devices/embedded whatever too).
Or maybe it's all a secret project to massively slim Windows down so it can run in the AVR's 2 kilobytes of memory. BillG can revise his quote to be, '2K ought to be enough for anybody'. :)
Windows CE has been running on MIPS for some time. It is likely that this sort of support has allowed Microsoft to run embedded solutions (such as Ford Sync, which was built on top of ARM)
> At the other end of the spectrum, there are hospital emergency rooms and pacemakers running Windows. It would be the wrong thing (always up-to-date) on those devices.
Like I said the Yun does not and I would bet never will run Windows. If you can get Windows 10 to run on a 400mhz MIPS processor with 64mb of memory and 16mb of storage I would be genuinely impressed. I pointed it out because it's funny, like taking a picture of an iMac and slapping a Windows start menu on it.
Windows NT 3.1 ran on a 66Mhz with 16MB ram, the MIPS and Alpha versions that also existed at the time were incredibly fast if you could afford the hardware (I could not).
Theoretically, an embedded version of just the Windows kernel and basic services might fit that profile, if Microsoft were to resurrect a MIPS version. Also, Windows Phone runs on hardware that's not much faster.
I would personally like to see good defaults (I don't understand the big icons on taskbar nor any forced integration with any Microsoft markets), workspaces (more than 2) and flexible customization of visuals (not just transparency, colours and fonts) and some kind of a package manager for programs (at least set a standard/options for new installations of third-party programs to bind their update servers with a windows package manager). Perhaps a selection of normal user vs power user on installation would be welcome.
I know I'm describing Linux desktop environments, but I have problems with drivers and hardware managers on Linux distros (with my T420) and I don't think the desktop environments are polished as much as Windowses and Mac OS's are. It feels like I have to put that extra effort in just to get things set up correctly. (I've used Gnome, Xfce and awesome)
> drivers and hardware managers on Linux distros (with my T420)
Care to elaborate? My lappy is a T410 and my roommates a T520. Neither of us have any hardware/driver issues.
As far as the UI goes, I somewhat agree. However when I use a TMW I am not looking for polish, I am looking for efficiency. That's why I only use a TMW on my work computer.
At home I run cinnamon. Looking to poke around KDE 5.1 once it is released but honestly I spend so little time in the UI of the OS it hardly matters any more as I spend most of my time in the UI of an app/website.
As an example, I didn't fire up MS word or VI to post this comment so UI polish is just that, polish.
>It feels like I have to put that extra effort in just to get things set up correctly.
And it should. Depending on what flavor of Linux you go with, you will have different defaults chosen for your OS.
From the developers perspective however they are just trying to not restrict you or your choices so that you can customize the environment to your liking. The trade-off is time and effort of that customization. This can be very overwhelming or feel unnecessary. Additionally some people find that the defaults "just work" for them.
Hopefully you give another *nix distro a spin in the future.
https://chocolatey.org/ - apt-get for Windows, basically. It's not as capable as its Linux brethren, but it's perfectly usable, and it takes a lot of pain out of setting up a Windows box. "cinst GoogleChrome" is as painless as you'd expect.
"One product family. One platform. One store. Windows... One. Wait no, Ten."
This level of cluelessness from Microsoft's branding team would be stunning if it hadn't been the rule for a decade and more. The OS itself looks nice, though.
I think they should think about the new wearable hardware that will be coming out and come up with a name that would evoke an image of working with apps in the air in front of you instead of on a screen/flat surface with a window. Like a Minority Report style interface.
I wonder if they aren't at least partly tweaking Apple here. Remember Apple also skipped version 9 of their operating system. Even system 8 was "phoned in". At least Microsoft didn't make us wait a decade between versions 7 and "X" while milking us for money with fake non-updates called "8" and "9" along the way.
They called it "OS X" because "X" is the roman numeral for 10. They had been promising (and promoting) the new system for five years or more, but it was still years away, so they offered "system 8" and "system 9" which were mere incremental updates of system 7, not real OS versions. (But you had to pay for them because they had new numbers.)
Interesting. Seems like they have capitulated on all the major complaints. Although strategically calling it 10 messes up the 'only odd number Windows are worth using' mantra :-).
Did they mention if it will run on ARM? Not the RT nonsense but full up all APIs Windows? I am sort of expecting them to poke back at Intel after the divorce.
I would expect they are always listening and evaluating. Capitulation being the change of their assertion that Windows 8 features were 'best' and then going back to the way they were in Windows 7. The reasons for that change of opinion might be that they listened to customer complaints, it might be that they compared adoption rates of this version of Windows to the previous version, or it might be something else.
So when the opinion changes from what it was, to something it was previously, I see that as capitulation. When an opinion changes from what it was, to something new, I see that as advancement.
It isn't a negative evaluation, its a statement of direction of change.
I can follow that reasoning, though I always looked at their Windows 8 features were 'best' statements as pure marketing instead of an actual assertion (you know, like commercials for washing powder which somehow gets better than the previous version every couple of months) - no way everyone at MS was really considering it 'best'. The idea of the hybrid-style OS isn't all that bad, but the way it came out wasn't exactly top notch.
They're saying its going to run on phones and phablets etc so yes sounds like some version of Windows 10 will run on ARM. I doubt it will be full windows api though, probably a subset something like RT. Whatever subset their universal apps target I guess.
It is hilarious how terrible the terminal emulator is on Windows in general.
It wasn't a big deal with CMD as, frankly, CMD barely got touched since forever. But they've been actively developing Powershell now for many years but yet shoved it into the same antiquated terminal emulator.
I'm glad they're at least looking at it. Next up hopefully Control Panel. Barely changed since Windows 95 and subpar relative to what Apple do in OS X.
I think that was their messaging -- the theme of these release is "we've fixed all the annoying things people complain about, from the Start Button for novice users to command prompt for power users". They want this release to feel, above all, familiar.
There's been "QuickEdit" Mode for years which lets you right-click the mouse to paste or to copy text. But, CTRL+V will be a nice convenience.
To enable QuickEdit mode: right-click command prompt title bar and choose "Properties" from the context menu. In the "Options" tab, check "QuickEdit Mode". Now you can select text by pressing and dragging mouse, copy text with right click, and paste text with right click.
If you do any terminal work whatsoever on Windows (be it cmd/powershell/cygwin) I highly recommend ConEmu which has that and all other goodies you find on other OS's decent terminal apps
Absence of ctrl+v in the terminal was one of the most simple and obvious clous that Microsoft didn't give a .... about developers. Absurd ad infinitum that it took this long.
Why would I need an additional shell app to be able to simply use ctrl+v? For instance, on OS X I use the default terminal shipped with the OS, it does everything I need for a terminal application. Is a pasting functionality consistent with the rest of the OS too much to ask for a default shell?
I would really like some new version of Windows, regardless of the number, to really rethink the install/uninstall process. Really sandbox new software in and when you uninstall it, it really absolutely removes everything, instead of leaving garbage all over the system.
And also to improve the install process, let's please move beyond the install wizard. The user shouldn't have to click "next" 5 screens in a row where there are no options of any kind. Something more OS X-like would be nice.
Looking forward to the next windows. Windows 360. Oh no, Windows 365. Yeah, that's better. Comes bundled with Office 365 and you have to rent it for a monthly fee. And if you are behind with a payment, the thing refuses to boot or will only let you view your files in read-only mode or something.
8.1 is NT 6.3 (if your program declares the correct manifest, otherwise it shows 6.2). My bet is on 6.4, or perhaps a larger jump within 6.x (like how ME was 4.90)
"Going forward, Microsoft is planning to make regular, smaller updates to the Windows 10 codebase, rather than pushing out new major updates years apart"
Sounds familiar. Do all operating systems stop at 10 now?
Concerning your second item: I'm not sure how it compares, but there's chocolatey: https://chocolatey.org/
Concerning #4 there's Console2, ConEmu, and Cmder which is a package with ConEmu.
There are solutions for all but one of the above, which I mention because Brew isn't an Apple driven solution, so I assume you don't mind other decent solutions not provided by Microsoft.
Yes, I am fine with non Microsoft solutions. Chocolatey is good but is very sparse when it comes to packages. Also, it is no match for [brewcask](http://caskroom.io/). Updated my checklist - thanks for the list
I get the feeling there was a major overhaul of development and engineering since Windows 8, and this is the result. It reminds me of the reset that was done after the "failure" of Windows Vista.
And there is definitely an underlying tone of "we were wrong, but we're going to fix it" when it comes to the many UI paradigm shifts introduced in Windows 8.
Oh I remember the release, but it was a complete bluff/joke. System 9 was really just an incremental update of System 8, but it was given a new number because (a) they were still years away from finishing OS X, which we had been promised for half a decade, and (b) you can charge money if you give the OS a new number.
So nothing have been said about the support lifecycle so far. I wish they could delay Win7's end of mainstream support until after Win10 releases at least. Yes, this includes bumping extended support until 2021.
We didn't learn from Windows XP? Extended support is good enough to keep your OS up to date on security patches, if you're using it past the end of extended support that's completely your fault.
So they made Windows 10 what Windows 8 should have been (I have no idea who made the decision to do that dumb metro thing. But it is a nightmare for anyone). And added things that existed in Linux since 1985?
This is the Microsoft way. Take Vista and Windows 7. With Vista they tried something new. In Windows 7 they fixed it. In 8 they tried something new... and the cycle continues.
Personally I don't mind the start menu being fullscreen. What really bugs me is how I have 2 incompatible desktops. I have my desktop which I have had since Windows 95. I then have some weird application space and jumping between the two is really unintuitive.
My bigger gripe is the name. Windows 10... It's PHP all over again.
Windows 7.
Windows 8.
Windows 9? No.. far to logical. Lets call it 10. Perhaps because it is 10 years since 95? I don't know. Still feels wrong.
PHP 6 was a real project, that a lot of people spent a lot of time working on (and writing books about). Just because the number was never used for a release doesn't mean it didn't exist.
95 -> 98 -> 2000 -> XP -> Vista -> 7 -> 8 -> 10
do you see anything logical in the entire progression.
I kind of get it what they were saying from 8 to 10 jump, that we are making a leap with this version over the previous one - because of the whole "universal" unification of devices of various form factors.
Unlike many people here, I do not know the "pulse of average people", so I really do not know how this will play out.
>> And added things that existed in Linux since 1985
I not sure if you are being snarky or something else but I am sure Linux was not there in 1985 and comparing Linux from 1995 to Windows 10 shows an absolute lack of understanding of Operating Systems.
Man that start menu is getting huge and complex. I really didn't miss is in the brief time I spent with Windows 8, but I guess enough people did to make them completely backpedal.
Nice find! I was actually quite excited about "Windows 9". Now that it's called Windows 10 I get this feeling of political bullshit within Microsoft and some higher ups not knowing what they are doing and demanding it be called Win 10. I just kind of have to laugh at this number jump.
See item on farthest left, it's an Arduino Yun board without the sticker: http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardYun?from=Products.Ardu...
The Yun has a 400mhz MIPS processor (and an 8-bit AVR for Arduino compatibility) that runs Linux and I would wager will never run a variant of Windows 10. Did somebody in marketing or whatever just search for Arduino and slap the first picture they saw on the slide?