Which is why I didn't read this the first day I saw it (the expletive), while at work. Only looking the second day it was up on the first page, when I was at home and curious why it was still popular.
Not sure than I can think of a worse way to organize such content than by reverse chronological posting date. Also not a big fan of profanity for this purpose (call me a prude).
HN is not the world but a tiny microcosm. I am also not sure the profanity in the URL is responsible for the position. The HN title would have been enough if it is indeed the deciding factor of popularity. By using profanity he has shut out every kid trying to learn at school or a person at a library or business sitting behind a filter in order to pander to the programming "elite".
As a blanket statement no, we should not learn to circumvent filters as a behavior. But in this case if the site creators use of the word was "growth hacking" as suggested they may have failed because of the reasons I mentioned. Profanity has it's place where it adds to the conversation, I just don't see that here. If the site creators use of the word was to be cool and accepted by a small subset of the population, then indeed they succeeded. If it was to create a useful accesible site, then they could have done a better job without the profanity.
Language is a man-made construct; words only carry as much meaning/importance/value/derision as they are given by society. If we don't like a word, sure we can try (futilely) banning/censoring it, but it'll only add more credence to the very meaning the pro-censorship camp is trying to censor it for, resulting in a Streisand Effect scenario [0]. If you let a word you don't like continue to evolve organically on the other hand, chances are that society will get bored with it (or it's old meaning), and eventually move on from it. So why not just let language take its course?
The purpose of language is communication, and clearly the OP saw the word "shit" as a bit of a tongue-in-cheek synonym for "thing", so should we be annoyed at the concept of cheeky "things" as well? Here's a good rule to live by: "Context is just as important as Connotation in Communication". Clearly the context trumps whatever other connotations this 'naughty' word might have, so treat it as such. Who are we to judge another person's vernacular?
It shouldn't be the case that we are held hostage by our own creations. So don't let language control you; use it in the best way you can so as to empower yourself instead. If you still have a problem with certain words, think of it like dealing with a bully: if you ignore him long enough, he will get bored and go away.
You got it right in the first paragraph! And then drew the wrong conclusion.
That is exactly why you should be for censorship - without it all those words will lose their meaning, and people will invent new ones.
I don't see any need to invent new swear words, and I am against casual use of those words, because doing so leaves them to exist for the situations that warrants them.
I don't want, nor need, to be "shocked" all the time. Not do I want to be so desensitized that it's impossible to shocked me. I like the happy middle.
> without it all those words will lose their meaning, and people will invent new ones.
I can see where you're coming from, and can respect that, but it still feels to me like this idea that we will just perpetually invent new words that serve the same exact purpose to be a bit of an unconvincing assumption. I have no problem believing that racial slurs will go the way of the dodo eventually for example, so would there be a need to replace such words exactly? Maybe the words themselves will be adapted to fit a narrower/different definition, but the point is that it doesn't matter whether the words themselves stay static or not, because the zeitgeist that produced their meanings won't stay static anyway. So either we'll adapt the old ones to these new meanings, or we'll just resort to inventing new words for these similar/derived concepts when the old words are 'unavailable'.
And even this is still assuming that it is somehow innate for us to 'swear', or that 'swearing' as a concept is even well defined enough to try and do anything with it (like try to avoid it). I mean, if I use the word "fudge" everywhere the classic "F-word" would otherwise be used, why is it then still not considered a swear word? Maybe you could argue that it is, and that's cool, but clearly it carries significantly less of a 'sting' to it. So does it still make sense to lump it in with the other swear words? It just feels too arbitrary and ill-defined of a concept.
I don't disagree that we should reserve some expressions for intense emotions (such as those originally attributed to swearing), but like I said, Context is a key part of the language equation, which itself isn't even all that matters in communication (e.g. vocal intonation, and the whole array of non-verbal communications). Language really can't be considered in isolation, it very much still a product of verbal communication, so you have to take those factors into account too.
Besides, the whole debate about whether language limits thought or thought structures language is still up in the air, so to try and say anything conclusive about something that seems to be a purely linguistic artifact feels a bit premature.
> but it still feels to me like this idea that we will just perpetually invent new words that serve the same exact purpose to be a bit of an unconvincing assumption
> .. the word "fudge" ... considered a swear word? .. carries significantly less of a 'sting' to it ... feels too arbitrary
Yes, it's a swear word, and it has less of a string. It's exactly the way you write. It's good to have a variety of words to fit different situations. It's not anymore arbitrary than any other word.
> so to try and say anything conclusive about something that seems to be a purely linguistic artifact feels a bit premature.
It's not an artifact. I think it's pretty universal to all cultures. Toddlers will find "swear" words and use them when mad (usually related to bathroom activities). Kids who don't know swear words immediately try to learn some as soon as they hear any. And as far as I know every single culture has taboo words.
Most of the time the swear words stay pretty static. But then you have people who want to "liberate" them (and enjoy shocking people), without realizing they are actually neutering them.
I've seen people say that modern society is more accepting of swears. That's not what's happening, what's happening is the swears are losing their power. And of course then people find, and use, new ones. (Like the kerfuffle about the swear word in the movie Kick-Ass. The regular swears were too mainstream so they went with the strongest one they knew just for the shock value.)
I don't approve of using a swear for the shock value - use it where warranted by the situation, not to try to impress your listener. I will continue to criticize shock usage, and people will continue to scream about censorship.
What, you think they don't have any words that cause outrage?
I'm quite happy to let words retain their shock value without people like you trying to mainstream the words, and then be required to coin new ones.
Golly used to be a really serious swear, now it's quaint and old fashioned.
You think you are mainstreaming the words by making people OK with offensive words. (Not sure why you think that's such a laudable goal, but I guess it's your goal.) But that's not what actually happens. What actually happens is the word becomes less offensive in the first place.
> I'm quite happy to let words retain their shock value without people like you trying to mainstream the words, and then be required to coin new ones.
They're words. Why are you afraid of them?
> Golly used to be a really serious swear, now it's quaint and old fashioned.
What? Golly was never a "serious swear". That's why it existed in the first place -- because people were afraid of uttering a completely different word.
> You think you are mainstreaming the words by making people OK with offensive words.
This sentence is offensive. Far more offensive than "shit" has ever or will ever be. And not because any of its words are offensive, but because you presume to tell me what I think. And you are very, very wrong.
The idea conveyed is offensive. The words used are irrelevant.
"Vacuum" and "fuck you" are essentially the exact same phrase when pronounced phonetically. Why is one banned from TV and one not? Why do we make a big deal about one or the other? It upsets me that I have to censor the words I say based on the age of people around me (people under 12 or over 60 tend to require extra thought). Personally I started to swear around 6th grade or age 12, so it clearly isn't a particularly advanced linguistic skill. I'd just love if people got over "bad words" and let words be words so we didn't have to worry about it.
I already read it. There as here, your logic is bizarre and circular, your attitude defeatist, and your assumptions about other people arrogant and condescending.
The site uses a Pinboard IFTTT trigger to post to WordPress. The title, description and link are all pulled from Pinboard, which makes posting to the blog a pretty fantastic process. Our post about some of the thoughts behind the process was featured on Medium back in March: https://medium.com/what-i-learned-building/1d87f0e7209d
Pinboard is a (newly) supported Channel for IFTTT, so a recipe for Pinboard -> Wordpress is simple to create. https://ifttt.com/pinboard
You can do a lot of hacky stuff with IFTTT if you play with RSS too. For reference, I made a Reddit image auto-downloader in IFTTT by using RSS and Yahoo Pipes awhile ago: http://minimaxir.com/2013/01/if-cute-then-happiness/
IFTTT is pretty awesome but I've been using the Postalicious plugin for a while to create a linkblog out of my Pinboard bookmarkings via RSS. Speaking of, RSS + IFTTT is great as well. I'm hoping the Google Reader demise indirectly cultivates additional innovation with RSS for these kinds of things.
Just proof of concept. Honestly, if an automation service existed that had the simplicity of IFTTT (in terms of triggers) and the flexibility of running your own code to transform the inputs/outputs, that would be my dream startup.
