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Does anyone know if this would affect the price of Li-on batteries? I'm curious to know if it would make Tesla's cars cheaper.



What few people realize about lithium batteries is it's not the lithium that's scarce and expensive, but the alloying elements that go in to make the electrode- most EV batteries use more Cobalt by weight than Lithium, and Cobalt is more expensive per pound.

Lithium's one of the lightest metals, so a little bit goes a long way.


IIRC cobalt is not only scarce, it's also mostly mainly produced in the Congo and Zambia, and anywhere referred to as the "Democratic Republic of..." is probably not as politically stable as one might hope.


Good to know, thank you.


This made me curious too... What is the cost breakdown of a Tesla car? What part(s) do we need to improve to lower the price to that of a regular luxury car?


What exactly is a "regular luxury car"? It sounds like an interesting designation for any article. If it's regular, is it still a luxury?


I presume umsm meant ICE or non-electric luxury car. ie, ones that don't require any advanced battery tech.


I would consider a mid-range lexus as a regular luxury car. There are extremes (anything over $120k: Bentley, Maybach, etc.) but those are out of the reach of the masses.

My point is this: If a Tesla would be a petrol-powered vehicle, how much would it cost? Now find out WHY/WHERE there's a difference and look at that.


> WHY

Isn't it as simple as "because they can"?

A Patek Phillipe watch is lovely, but probably doesn't have $30,000 worth of materials and labour involved. The rest is just pricing for a luxury good.


You're paying for the brand, that's true, but not $25k of that is the brand. You have to consider the materials, manufacturing process of individual pieces, labor, marketing expenses, service, etc.

Generally: Companies try to give you the best for the money.


BMW, Lexus, etc.


Equivalent models of which are priced about the same as the Model S variants.




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