Installation is through the Sublime Text 2 console. This is
accessed via the ctrl+` shortcut. Once open, paste the following command
into the console:
import urllib2,os; pf='Package
Control.sublime-package'; ipp=sublime.installed_packages_path();
os.makedirs(ipp) if not os.path.exists(ipp) else None;
urllib2.install_opener(urllib2.build_opener(urllib2.ProxyHandler()));
open(os.path.join(ipp,pf),'wb').write(urllib2.urlopen('http://sublime.wbon
d.net/'+pf.replace(' ','%20')).read()); print 'Please restart Sublime
Text to finish installation'
Are you kidding me? The product or package maintainer should handle this better.
Hey, we're programmers here. When the entire install command fits in one line of Python, and I can read it, I freaking love seeing the entire thing and running it in the interpreter myself. I have -1 problems with this.
Plus it's easy as pie, and as anyone who's actually used Package Control knows, it would be worth it if you had to pluck a hair from an Argentinian llama and place it in your USB port while reciting the gregorian chant from Monty Python and the Holy Grail to install it. One line of actual Python is simply a convenient shortcut.
Um, this is product for developers. I think that they should be able to handle a pretty simple copy/paste. Not sure the reason behind the drama queenery.
It needed to be said, and the style was intentional. Statements like the one you made sound right and are easy for readers to accept as fact. My comment was intended to make people go back and reevaluate yours. I think it was accurate, effective rhetoric. It wasn't intended as a judgment of your worth; just as a judgment of that particular comment's worth.
Your reaction is understandable but wrong. It's a ugly, horrific block of code that you copy/paste and never think of or see again. The package manager itself makes the installation and management of 3rd party packages incredibly easy. It's super impressive really.
Naturally people ask if the 3rd package manager will become an official feature but that opens up a new can of worms.
Who cares if it is "professional" or not? It works, and you do it once after you install the editor and never do it again. Oh yeah, and it was created for free by someone not associated with the product and is awesome.
> Are you kidding me? The product or package maintainer should handle this better.
Man, you got that right. They should make it so that it can be installed through Package Control.
Oh, wait...
For a bootstrapping method, this seems completely reasonable. It doesn't involve downloading inscrutable single-platform installers, or opening a shell window, or any other external dependencies. The whole process runs inside the one environment you're guaranteed to have: Sublime Text itself.
Agreed. It doesn't go with the rest of ST2 ease of use. I was shocked that people think this is whining, but then remembered that programmers are used to putting up with the obviously-less-than-ideal:
"Computer people generally design terrible computer interfaces because they are not only willing to cope with something bad, they're pleased to."
- Alan kay, Personal Computing Historic Beginnings
I haven't had a chance to checkout Sublime Text 2, but that sample prompted me to download it after finding out it has a console that will accept python as a way to install packages.
You guys know that you can go to the Default Keymaps file and get all of these tips in one list right? You can even change them...
EDIT: Just for fun, here is that file on OS X: https://gist.github.com/3117613 Notice the "context" definitions. Also check out how the auto-pairing functionality is defined in terms of the key binding DSL. And how you can define nonstandard layouts for the panes. And so on.
Sublime is great. It reminds me of a less insane version of Foobar2000.
I actually really like getting other people's lists of their favorite ST2 features. It's more digestible than getting the entire list in one go. I find I tend to get one or two features that I put into "rotation" in reading these, while looking at all the keybindings just overwhelms me and leaves me using the features I already know.
They're not actually cut off, they're in a scrollable text area (use two fingers to scroll within that text area) same as on the desktop. Not very easy to use, but then the device does have a very low (virtual/apparent) resolution of 320x480.
Ctrl+Alt+P to get a dialog for opening all your Sublime projects.
Ctrl+R for navigating to functions or classes within the current file.
SublimeClang gives you Visual Studio-style Intellisense, static analysis, and jump to definition/implementation.
When setting up Vim emulation, you'll need to install VintageEx and change some of the default bindings (Ctrl+Shift+P+"key" to see the binding files). You'll also want SublimeBlockCursor.
For example, put the following in the user defined keymap to override the defaults:
[
{ "keys": ["ctrl+f"], "command": "move", "args": {"by": "pages", "forward": true} },
{ "keys": ["ctrl+b"], "command": "move", "args": {"by": "pages", "forward": false} },
{ "keys": ["ctrl+shift+f"], "command": "move", "args": {"by": "pages", "forward": true, "extend": true} },
{ "keys": ["ctrl+shift+b"], "command": "move", "args": {"by": "pages", "forward": false, "extend": true} }
]
Further to point F: if you hold down control, you move by word segment - this is camel-case (and underscore) aware. So, if I am at the front of the word "cakeParty", I can move to between 'e' and 'P' by holding control and pressing the right arrow key.
(This is in ST2 for Mac OS X - I'm sure there's an equivalent feature in ST2 for other systems.)
The command and alt modifiers work when I use the arrow key but this ctrl doesn't seem to do anything... OS X lion. For example, I put the caret in front of a camelCased variable and press ctrl+right arrow, nothing happens. Am I doing it wrong?
Subsequent Cmd + d presses will select the following instance of the word for editing. Makes it easy to do things such as renaming a local variable or changing both the opening and closing element of a HTML tag.
What's really wild is if you do CMD+d several times and then move around with the arrow keys. Multiple cursors follow you around. I'm not sure if this is useful, but it's certainly cool.
To me, supporting multiple cursors is one of ST2’s killer features.
For one thing, it goes a surprisingly long way to making up for not having language-sensitive refactoring tools if you’re renaming things, changing parameter lists, etc.
Also, you can make a selection in advance rather than relying on the default of selecting the current word. That selection can even span line breaks and/or include indentation. If you then select some/all instances of the same text as starting points using Ctrl+D, you can change not only the copies of the text but also (for example) extend the selections to include whatever is immediately before or afterwards (even if that is different in each case) or move to the start or end of each line. It’s a quick way to do a lot of common search-and-replace type operations without getting bogged down in regexes or macros.
A related useful technique is using (on Windows) Ctrl+Alt+up/down, which moves up/down a line creating multiple cursors as you go. If you then do Shift+left/right, you can get a “column selection” effect, for example. (You can also drag with the middle mouse button to select a column.)
I hope ST2 will build on these basic features as time goes on. It could allow incremental forward/backward search without cancelling the multiple cursors, let you cycle around which cursor is shown or will be left when you hit escape to cancel multiple mode, maybe even temporarily split the display to show multiple cursors at once if they are far apart. There’s a huge amount of potential here.
Way useful. You can, for example, select all instances of a variable name, then rename it selectively from the middle of the selection if you want.
Also good to note: Command-F find also has a "Find All" option which can be faster than pressing Command-D multiple times, and also allows more complex non-word and regexp searches. From there you can use multiple cursors or replace the whole selection just by typing.
One minor complaint: I wish cmd+D had a "whole words only" setting. Its confusing when using with the "highlight all matches" feature, which is "whole words only" IIRC.
Also notable is that you can skip the currently selected element (i.e. unselect it) if you press ctrl+k+d. Sublime will then continue to select the next word, but leaves the one you just selected unselected.
ctrl+k+d was added recently and was quite a big improvement
but it's still hard to use because if you do one wrong cmd+d you'll have to either start again or use the mouse.
the way cloud9 ace[1] handles this is better, since it keeps last added selection as active one and from there you can add selections with ctrl+alt arrows or remove with ctrl+alt+shift arrows
If you press ctrl+d one time too many, you can use Soft Undo (ctrl+u / command+u) to step backwards. Soft Undo undoes selection commands as well as modifying commands, as opposed to regular undo, which undoes modifying commands only.
another fast way to select all instances of a word/phrase for editing is to find in file (cmd+f) type out your variable/whatever and then option+enter will find all instances of your search text and highlight each for editing via their own cursor
But then syntax highlighting is off until you close and reload it, which is annoying. I usually have a terminal open to the project anyway so I just use 'touch' to create the file I want.
Something else you might not know -- multiple selection via command clicking (also implemented in Excel, for example) was in the original (1985ish) Apple Humn Interface Guidelines.
Now that I think about it, it's such a common feature everywhere except text editing (I'm mainly thinking of selecting/highlighting things like icons and menu items) it's interesting that it has taken so long to be an editor's big selling point.
Another one i've found useful is CMD+D / CMD+K+D. CMD+D finds the next instance of the current selection and creates another cursor there (and selects it as well). CMD+K+D skips the current selection and finds the next one.
I curse myself whenever I think about it. For the longest time, I didn't know about this shortcut. I missed it terribly, but I was too thick to understand that I can search through the manuals or internet to find if such a shortcut exists... I used it a hundred times daily (Java, Eclipse), but the need for it is much greater in CoffeeScript+Node.js
Ctrl+Shift+D duplicates the current line by default (or the current selection, if any).
Ctrl+Shift+K deletes the whole line.
Ctrl+K twice deletes to end-of-line.
Ctrl+K Ctrl+backspace deletes to beginning-of-line.
Combine duplicate, move up/down, and the Ctrl+D multi-cursor stuff, and you have a copy-and-paste coder’s dream editor. ;-)
I've been using {g}vi{m} for 20 years now, but just bought ST2. I like how this whole discussion revolves around finding keystrokes in ST2 that yield the convenience of doing things I took for granted in vim. Maybe I should just yield to the wisdom of the crowd, go back to VIM, forget about having a file explorer on the left side (NERDtree's wonkiness drove me to ST2), and learn to use Ctrl-P. It's what people keep suggesting to use in ST2.
I tried out Sublime for a day or two, and think it does a lot of things right. However a few small things also bugged me right off the bat, may be someone can help.
- Code folding:
No fold level 1 option, would like a hotkey.
No line at the fold, just an icon at end of line.
- No GUI for options or syntax/theme editing. I give geany a pass on this (has options but not theme
editing) because it is free. Many other free choices have
this (N++, Programer's Ed.) but not Sublime. I don't wanna
dig through docs for hours (again) to get another editor set
up. It's a shame this stuff isn't standardized by now.
This might be because they made their own widget set and
haven't finished yet. If so, it was a mistake. QT, wx, or
native would have been fine. No need to reinvent the wheel.
Configuration: The mess of weird filenames and extensions in the config folder was a turnoff also. Json is nicer in many respects than xml, but I can't say it's optimal for config files.
> This might be because they made their own widget set and haven't finished yet. If so, it was a mistake.
I don't understand how anyone who has actually used Sublime can say this. It's smooth, clean, cross-platform identical, and beautiful, and most importantly, insanely fast. I believe the widget set is their biggest strength.
Then again, I also believe the text configuration is another strength. It's a programmer's editor; it wasn't designed this way out of laziness or poor aesthetic or UI concepts, it was designed this way because it's exactly how most of the target users want to configure it. It also saves a lot of dev time that would be spent maintaining myriad settings UI's and determining which belong and which don't and how to lay them out and how to document them, etc. etc. etc. Instead, settings are keys and the way you manage them is through simple, readable JSON files. No problem.
It also has many other advantages, such as being able to have a settings file per project and override any settings as you like, rather than being limited by a pesky UI.
In fact, it would probably be a fairly easy thing to set up a Sublime plugin that provides a UI for the various settings as you desire. The fact that no one has bothered to do this yet is very telling.
I didn't say it shouldn't be saved to disk as text. I gave three editors which have gui configs as well and are free. The gui can be built automatically if done right.
Also, I have no performance issues with any of my editors. The widget comment was based on the fact they use no other widgets, they must not have written them yet.
You can also get multiple cursors from the keyboard with ctrl+alt+(uparrow or downarrow) not the most convenient of keybindings but can be rebound if you look for "select_line" in the default keybindings. (Linux and Windows)
You can also search and do multiple selection with a regular expression, which is awesome. I've used this heavily in the past few weeks. The only problem I've had is that all searches appear to run on the main thread, so when working on a sufficiently large file, the whole application blocks like hell. And to make it even worse, they update search results on the fly, meaning that for every new character you enter it blocks. I've taken to writing my expressions fully in a random textfield elsewhere, and pasting them in all at once.
Things sublime text lacks that bug me: drag and drop of selections. It would be even better if it could do what nedit can do with drag and drop, or drag and clone of both normal and block selections.
You can also use your middle mouse button to make block selections, or doing things like making a long vertical line of multiple cursors (handy if you have an HTML list of varying line lengths, you can draw a long vertical line of multiple cursors, then use the left and right arrow keys and home and end keys to make changes to all of the lines quickly).
Really? This is the one thing I've been missing from Notepad++ that I could never get working in either the Windows or Mac versions of ST2. Maybe it landed in that update last night or the night before.
Not the same, but I have the save_on_focus_lost setting set to true, so when I switch out of ST2 – likely to Chrome with LiveReload on – everything gets saved and I see my changes immediately.
I've kept my favorite shortcuts open in a panel for about a week, so I could learn them by heart: http://pastebin.com/hQtYKzhN
Favorites include: Expand selection (to various levels), close tag, block commenting and splitting lines!
Is it possible to do multi-line editing like Sublime Text but in Vim? I use both, and this was the feature that got me out of Terminal, but besides this I can't think of anything else offhand for what ST2 can do that Vim can't do.
Yes, Ctrl-v to enter visual-block mode, then move up or down to cover all lines where you want to make changes, then I{string}Esc to append a string at the cursor location on all lines.
I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for without knowing more what you mean by multi-line editing, but you can apply arbitrary commands (including inserts) to any set of lines.
Switches case on lines 4, 15:
:4,15 norm ~
Indents text and changes the first two words of ever line to "duck" from mark a to the end of the file
:'a,$ norm >>2cwduck
Prepends a # to every line of the visual selection
Yep. Basically, Textmate's Goto Anything feature is activated by cmd+t, so ST's author mapped both cmd+t and cmd+p to Goto Anything on OS X to accommodate people switching over. On OS X, Goto Symbol is actually cmd+r.
switched to sublime from np++ 3 months's ago, happy bunny! but i miss the np++ file explorer that allowed me to perform cut/paste/rename file & folder actions and even access the top level OS explorer menu within the editor so i had ,svn,archive,properties and send to
Obviously you didn't actually try what you suggested, if you had you'd have found there are plugins for JSON and XML and probably a few other formats, but was hoping ST2 would have what textmate and eclipse has had for a long time, code formatting, java, XML, xsl, JavaScript, c etc.
I know you're new here, but a little reminder about etiquette, even if you haven't gotten laid in a while, the community here is based on people being helpful rather than trying to be superior. The problem with that attitude is that it backfires and just makes you look insecure.
Sorry? My response was tailored for your comment -- you didn't mention plugins and you weren't (and still aren't) clear on the features you're missing. I.e., from your comment I inferred that you are new to all this, and so I treated you as a newcomer. I guess that hurt you feelings? If so, I didn't mean to :)
Nope, didn't hurt my feelings at all, I was trying to help you learn the ropes.
My comment was really pretty clear, and easy to follow, ST doesn't have a code formatter, you know, like textmate and eclipse do. It's a feature that lets you take poorly aligned code that is difficult to read, and fix up the alignment a la K&R et al. Hope that's clear enough for you :)
If you want to find out if someone is a newcomer, you can click on their profile and see pretty easily.
> If you want to find out if someone is a newcomer, you can click on their profile and see pretty easily.
> the community here is based on people being helpful rather than trying to be superior
Siodine's account is older than yours. You're rageing on him for trying to help you out by suggesting you find plugins before dismissing ST2. You're making an ass of yourself man. Stop acting like an elitist prick.
>It's a feature that lets you take poorly aligned code that is difficult to read, and fix up the alignment a la K&R et al. Hope that's clear enough for you :)
I linked you to plugins that do that. Also, you can find other such plugins through the site I linked for you. I wasn't inferring that you were a newcomer to Hacker News, I was inferring that you were new to this kind of technology in general (sort of freshmen level). And because my profile is two months old, doesn't mean I haven't been on Hacker News much longer. I'm glad I didn't hurt your feelings :)
dr42, I'd say you are the one not responding in the spirit of HN. Just calm down, someone tried to help, and you didn't find it helpful, no need to go all flamewar on them.
http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/package_control
Useful for installing things like themes, syntax awareness, code linters, etc...