There's no agenda. This is the part that is so frustrating to get across. If this is the agree to disagree point then so be it.
Black people want all the rights and privileges of white people. It's not enough that black and white people are equally entitled to use the bathrooms and drinking fountains of their respective race.
Gay people want all the rights and privileges as straight people. It's not enough that gay and straight people are equally entitled to enter a marriage defined as one man and one woman.
Trans people want all the rights and privileges as cis people. It's not enough that cis and trans people are equally entitled to participate in sports leagues that correspond to their AGAB.
You are the person who is equating gay with sex and trans with genitalia. So obviously you're going to read discussion about issues facing these groups as talking about sex and genitals. Actual trans people would very much like conservatives to stop talking about their genitals.
Dropping the subject is antithetical to them being able to quietly live boring normal lives same as everyone else. It's accepting marginalization. My trans girl friends are just my girlfriends, it's an implementation detail I don't care about. Achieving that socially and legally is together and equal but we aren't there and are trending backwards.
I think you're imagining trans women athletes as more unreasonable about this than they actually are. You're right they are separated for good reason, but it turns out that being on feminizing hormone therapy for many years and muscle shedding erases any biological advantage in practice. The ask from the trans community to sporting organizations isn't "how dare you, you have to let me play" but "what do I have to do so I can play and the game stays fair?" And sports organizations all came to slightly different but similar conclusions that it can be done and added it to the requirements to play.
Exactly, that's the problem - sports bodies adjusting their eligibility criteria for the nominally female category to accommodate inclusion of a subset of males, just because these males desire to be women.
That actual female women might not want to compete against these males typically hasn't been considered. And where it has, it's usually because female athletes have spoken up against it, and they've almost always been censured and penalized for doing so.
Plus, there's no evidence that testosterone suppression can weaken the male body to a state where male advantage is obliterated. The data gathered so far indicates the opposite. Not that every competition organizer even requires this, for some events it's nothing more than a self-declaration of woman or man, with no verification done at all.
The whole approach to this is broken, as it disadvantages the very people who the women's category is intended for: female athletes.
It seems to me like the guys walking each other on leashes in the streets, dressed in leather thongs are the people equating gay with sex. I also think the people cutting off their genitalia in the name of being trans are equating trans with genitalia.
Being marginal is fine. Everyone is marginal, we're all different after all.
And you're right, we're never going to agree on these topics. It's still fun to read differing opinions every now and then.
Black people want all the rights and privileges of white people. It's not enough that black and white people are equally entitled to use the bathrooms and drinking fountains of their respective race.
Gay people want all the rights and privileges as straight people. It's not enough that gay and straight people are equally entitled to enter a marriage defined as one man and one woman.
Trans people want all the rights and privileges as cis people. It's not enough that cis and trans people are equally entitled to participate in sports leagues that correspond to their AGAB.
You are the person who is equating gay with sex and trans with genitalia. So obviously you're going to read discussion about issues facing these groups as talking about sex and genitals. Actual trans people would very much like conservatives to stop talking about their genitals.
Dropping the subject is antithetical to them being able to quietly live boring normal lives same as everyone else. It's accepting marginalization. My trans girl friends are just my girlfriends, it's an implementation detail I don't care about. Achieving that socially and legally is together and equal but we aren't there and are trending backwards.