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This is a great comment. My thought, after reading it: Why do line managers want this info? Do you think they have someone in mind for promotion, and they are looking for metrics of accomplishment?

And, cynically, I would say that senior managers don't care... because to them, most hands-on engineers/devs are fungible. What is your view about why the upper levels never ask for it?




> Why do line managers want this info? Do you think they have someone in mind for promotion, and they are looking for metrics of accomplishment?

Nah, you don't need to assume malice :)

Most times it was managers with good intentions, not realizing that those metrics were either pointless (e.g. how much code / commits does $person do), or toxic, in the sense that it leads the team to game metrics, that it prevents the manager to actually understand why the values are what they are, that it opens the risk to link them to promotions and perf reviews etc.

Explaining them all this was generally enough!

> And, cynically, I would say that senior managers don't care... because to them, most hands-on engineers/devs are fungible. What is your view about why the upper levels never ask for it?

Actually that wasn't the case. AFAIK (I left at some point, but kept a bit in touch with former colleagues) upper management started using some of those metrics to set organizational objectives.

Again, same argument. You don't need to assume malice. Management has a legit interest in engineering productivity. What happens most of the time is that they don't know how to measure it in an effective way, or how to use it to drive organizational change. Providing guidance is part of your job as a Platform eng.


So, it's a bit more than that. Let's say I've identified someone that I can't figure out what they're doing. They're just going slower than I expect given what I understand of the work. (I was a professional programmer for over 15 years before management, so this is based on the expectations of a former practitioner.)

Now, why is that? The first possibility is that they ran into a string of tickets that were just harder than we expected at the outset, and it's a statistical anomaly. A second possibility is that this person takes the hardest of the tickets, and anyone would struggle. A third possibility is they are taking tickets past their capabilities as a developer and aren't getting the help they need. In this scenario, they're a capable performer, but are need help to get to the next level. Maybe they're junior, or they're a new employee. If they keep taking these tickets, they will grow and their performance will jump. In these cases, you just keep monitoring.

In the middle case, they may have transitioned to a team or project that is a bad fit, and would thrive on another team or an adjustment to what they're asked to work on. They may be a front end specialist that was expected to pick up back end tickets and struggled from the start. Or, they may be in a temporary dip due to personal circumstances.

Then, you have the negative cases. Their work ethic might be insufficient. They may just not be good at their job and may not ever be able to match the performance at the pay grade and seniority they were hired. Or, you may have a good bullshitter on your team and your numbers tell a different story.

The numbers will tell you if this is a temporary dip. The numbers will tell you if their current output is in line with the rest of the team. From there, the hard work starts.

If you don't have those numbers, it starts looking like a lot of status updates and micromanagement.


Note: remember I am condensing the real work into a few paragraphs. Of course I know it's much more nuanced than I am making it here. This is a surface level treatment.

Also note: Most managers end up doing a lot of part time jobs, of which performance management is a relatively small part. If my primary job was performance and task management, that would be a very bad use of resources for the company.


My cynical view is that's it's to find scapegoats especially in companies that have a lot of politics or a lot of PIPs.

You generally scapegoat one level down and then let that level push it further down if it can.

So the Directors need team level metrics to find which managers reporting to them to scapegoat and have data to "prove" it.

Then the Managers need individual level metrics to find which engineers to scapegoat and have data to "prove" it.


Yo dawg, I heard you like throwing people under buses. So I put a bus under yo’ bus so you can scapegoat people while you scapegoate people.


As a former line manager, there have been two cases when I use metrics: I'm promoting someone, and I like having numbers that back up how good they are, or I'm firing someone, and I like having numbers that back up how bad they are.

I generally agree with OP, but there are times where as a manager you know exactly what is going on with your team, but numbers are still helpful.




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