On: Chinese villagers capture video of falling Long Ma...

[dylan604]

strange comment for this particular video. not really sure what a rapid disassembly of a rocket has to do with AI.

i don't disagree though, maybe for differing reasons

[throwup238 → dylan604]

The boosters should have their own flight termination system which should have exploded if they were going to fall anywhere near populated land. Everyone in the US has to have them even if they're launching from Florida over the ocean and each independent flight component (like rocket boosters) has to have its own.

Allowing a rocket to fall on land like that shows extreme contempt for public safety.

[ryandrake → dylan604]

I think what OP might be saying is that the attitude that it's OK to just yeet a rocket booster at a populated area, might also not yield much safety when it's applied to Artificial General Intelligence.

[FrustratedMonky → ryandrake]

Exactly. The Chinese wont be worried about 'alignment' to prevent bias against minorities. That will be a feature.

Success is all that matters.

[FrustratedMonky → thaumasiotes]

It's complicated isn't it.

Yes. As a guest or visitor. I am granted a lot of deference. Especially in someone's home. Chinese are very friendly.

But China is modernizing, progressing, very rapidly, and much of that has a human cost. So think it still is correct, that OP was implying, that China will not be as worried about controlling AI. As many fear, China will use AI for surveillance and control.

[hn_go_brrrrr → thaumasiotes]

I imagine you're correct if we're talking about the elite enjoying more legal privileges than us mere commoners. Both counties do have have that in common.

[cycrutchfield → thaumasiotes]

Let’s ask the Uyghurs about those legal privileges.

[thaumasiotes → cycrutchfield]

The Uyghurs are a particularly interesting case. Like several Chinese minority groups, they are entitled to extra points on the 高考.

Unlike other minority groups, it appears to be relatively common for universities to discount their score by that amount.

[cycrutchfield → thaumasiotes]

Extra points on some stupid exam are supposed to make up for genocide/extrajudicial internment?

[Dalewyn → thaumasiotes]

China makes Saudi Arabia look like a paragon of human rights.

[cma → ryandrake]

SpaceX's flight termination system malfunctioned last year as well, though it was out to sea at that point.

[throwaway4aday → cma]

That's the entire reason why they launch from the coast, so that if something goes wrong the debris or booster will fall into the ocean.

[cma → throwaway4aday]

What if the termination system was needed because it turned out of control early on?

[throwaway4aday → cma]

You probably still have a >50% chance that it's going to be over water since that's the direction it was initially moving. Yes, if flight termination fails and by chance it vectors backwards towards land somehow without just spinning like out of control rockets normally do then it may fly far enough to wind up on someone else's property but that's why launch sites are located at a reasonable distance from inhabited areas. The point is that it's very different to take all of those precautions vs. just flying your rockets over inhabited areas as a matter of course and not giving a fuck if they land on someone.

[kortilla → cma]

Flight termination system isn’t relevant when you’re deliberately launching over land. The FTS doesn’t disintegrate the thing

[positr0n → kortilla]

In general I agree with the point you are making, but if you will indulge my "well actually..."

From to the Range Commanders Council Range Safety Group, 2010, summary of FTS requirements:

2. produce a small number of pieces, all of which are unstable and impact within a small footprint;

And also another requirement relevant to this particular video where the spent booster clearly had uncombusted carcinogenic hypergolic fuel when it hit the ground:

3. control disposition of hazardous materials (burning propellant, toxic materials, radioactive materials, ordnance, etc.);