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this has nothing to do with community or even inclusivity and everything to do with signaling political allegiance & telling people who don’t agree that they aren’t welcome

It is quite literally the opposite of what you and others supporting this are claiming it to be

All you have to do is remove the weird bit about “nazis”, which is irrelevant and adds nothing of value to the statement anyways, and you’re not really going to scare any normal person off. But this is just over the top and literally the only purpose it could serve is as an exclusionary political signal.




who don’t agree

Who are the excluded people here and what do they not agree with?


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That's not at all what trans rights are.


What do you consider 'trans rights' to be?

From what I've encountered, the main principle of this activism seems to be around reorganising society by 'gender identity' in place of sex, and redefining language to further this aim. I'd be interested to hear your perspective on this.


Casually using “Nazi” like this in context of American politics just means “anyone to the right of me”

it’s ambiguous but the implications are clear

If you are a Christian, someone who would use this phrase would likely call you a Nazi. If you don’t want to abolish the state of Israel, they might call you a Nazi. It could be any issue really. But to actually be “safe” in an environment like this you have to align yourself roughly to the politics of the DSA or you aren’t welcome.

I guess you could say at this point that “Nazi” has devolved into being a sort of a political slur referring to anyone who is not sufficiently leftist.


That's a lot to bring to a random footer on a web page about something else. I get the distaste for sloganeering but the suggestion that 'the implications are clear' that this is.... the DSA? feels like a more than a bit of a reach.


It is a reach and that’s kind of the issue I guess. You have no idea whether or not people involved would call you a Nazi or what for, only that they might.

I am probably overreacting to this because I have encountered it in the workplace before. Politics constantly being brought up inappropriately & the only safe move was to go out of your way to signal to the right people that you were on their “team”. The occasional political witch hunt over nothing would happen. A good portion of the company spent most of the day talking politics instead of working but I assume nothing was done out of fear of retaliation. A lot of really bizarre things, but hopefully not the norm.


You have no idea whether or not people involved would call you a Nazi

You have no idea of that whatever footer they put on their page, short of one that is 'we like to call people Nazis'. The reaction is as if someone's already called you personally a Nazi and the footer doesn't do that.

Again, I get the discomfort with the perception you might have different political views from whoever wrote that footer. But that's the discomfort of difference that comes with everyday life. Nobody has called anyone a Nazi, that's not a reasonable extrapolation from either the footer or your unpleasant personal experience combined with the footer.


> & telling people who don’t agree that they aren’t welcome

Are you familiar with the Paradox of Tolerance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance)?

It is best understood as a social contract - in order for a group to function, people need to tolerate each other. People who don't obey that social contract are therefore not eligible for being in the group.


Yes, but in most cases I have seen that is just used as a justification for hostile behavior that has nothing to do with actual intolerance. The opposite tends to happen - you let people like this get power & their intolerance is then what is tolerated out of fear that they’d come for you next if you called them out on it.

An example: I once had someone tell me to my face that I shouldn’t have an engineering job at all because no white men without a college degree should be “allowed” to. At work. However, this person was involved in ERGs and close with people in HR, so I didn’t have much choice but to just accept it and move on.

Another good example I’ve seen personally: employer hires a new CTO. He sets up the second phase of our interview process to be a phone call with him, and out of dozens of candidates he only allows Muslim candidates through this process. This was the clearest case of discrimination I have seen. When someone on my team speaks out about this, he’s fired and we are all scolded about racism being unacceptable.

This isn’t a social contract, it’s organized harassment and abuse by politically obsessed weirdos and it has no place in any professional environment.


"Black lives matter", "trans rights are human rights" and "no Nazi bullshit" are completely uncontroversial positions though. Like, if you disagree with those, then there's something fundamentally wrong with how you view the world and interact with other human beings.


No they're not. They are common phrases used to shoehorn a lot of politics and meaning into a simplified message that doesn't really reflect everything it stands for.

Everyone knows this and it is highly controversial which is the point. I don't agree with any of these things because I know what they mean in reality.


What do you think they mean in reality?




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