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The Berlusconi approach?

(I'd suspect Musk of wanting to run for office, except I don't think he'd accept a lesser office than President which he's ineligible for. Maybe a state governor like Arnie?)




Why would he want to do that? Being a politician sounds awful. He can make a much bigger impact in the private market.


Because those types of people want power, and even when you're the richest guy in the world, there are things you can't do unless you're head of a country.


What power do politicians have? I guess you can nudge bureaucratic legislation to favor one group of developers over another and get favorable investment deals, but that just gets you more money.

Or maybe you can elect a district attorney and go after an enemy of yours, but even that's not an easy win. And you can always buy influence for this sort of thing without going through the trouble and cost of running

You certainly can't wave a magic wand and garner favor and respect from people. People hate politicians in the US.

I don't know, I just don't see the "power". It's just an appeal to narcissism as people in the media would be obsessing over you and dissecting every word you say. But that's definitely not power.


The fewer politicians there are, the more power they have. In the US, levers of power are widely distributed compared to a typical autocratic country. If you want to avoid autocratic rule, split up the power into many hands. The end result may look like a top heavy lumbering bureaucracy, but if it's difficult to wrest control of someone's lever of power from them then you have a better defense against autocratic takeover.


It almost like it was intentional on the part of the founders of the US

Sadly we did not heed their wisdom and we have over the course of time consolidated power in the the hands of fewer people by putting more things into the hands of the federal government, allowed congress to shift their responsibility to the executive, and failing to increase the size of congress.


Trump vaporized Soleimani; you can't do that when you're just the host of a TV show.

Obama to this day loves to brag about how he sent SEAL Team 6 to deal with enemies of the US; you can't do that either when you're just a successful author.

Hollande (former French president) also bragged to journalists, many times, about assassinating ISIS leaders.

These are "normal" leaders elected in democracies; it's much worse of course with more authoritarian regimes.

Real power is the power to kill other human beings and not suffer any consequence for it. We don't usually talk about that when discussing politics, but this is what aspiring leaders really crave.


It's not like President Musk would have the authority to murder anyone. His murder powers would largely be limited to the Middle East and loosely defined enemies of the United States.

Musk has never shown a desire to murder random people and he has never shown particular hatred for those in the Middle East. Why would he want the power to murder people who are basically unrelated to him?


He’s South African and can’t be US President due to that, what is this thread


>Real power is the power to kill other human beings and not suffer any consequence for it. We don't usually talk about that when discussing politics, but this is what aspiring leaders really crave.

Well put. It makes sense in that context that Musk's fans think he has no interest in politics and his detractors think he must.

As insane as Musk's fanbase can be, I still find his detractors' view of the world less realistic. There's a metric to assess that opinion by. As a fan, I predict he won't run for political office on Earth.


> Trump vaporized Soleimani; you can't do that when you're just the host of a TV show.

True, but Musk has a fleet of absurdly huge rockets at his command. If he really wanted to, he could de-orbit something large on top of Tehran.

Given the rate at which he is progressing toward his stated goals, he’s not that far from being able to do that and get away with it - by moving to Mars.

Yeah, this post is mostly tongue-in-cheek, but there is some truth to it. SpaceX is a company with assets that could easily be weaponized far in excess of many country’s militaries. I’m now imagining a future where a crazed trillionaire executes a first strike against some country with kinetic energy weapons, flees to a different planet, and all the governments of the world are scrambling trying to figure out if they can retrieve him.


> I’m now imagining a future where a crazed trillionaire executes a first strike against some country with kinetic energy weapons, flees to a different planet, and all the governments of the world are scrambling trying to figure out if they can retrieve him.

This is an excellent plot!!


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I get what you're saying, and I would agree that the power of _most_ politicians is minimal compared to the absolute richest people in the world (so not just mere single-digit billionaires, unless their wealth is built on owning a platform, like Oprah).

However, read the book Charlie Wilson's War. Wilson had no money to speak of, but the book reveals the incredible power that he wielded, largely by sidling up to selective groups (like the Israeli lobby) and getting key committee appointments. And Wilson wasn't even a U.S. Senator! (Generally speaking Representatives have far less power than Senators)


I mean, it would be trivial for a president with a lot of stock in EV companies to reduce domestic oil drilling/pipelines, start a "police action" in the Middle East that combined with super harsh sanctions on Iran, Russia and Venezuela sends oil soaring.


Musk is an engineer. Engineers want impact, not power.


Why would he run for president, when he could quite possibly own a planet if he keeps moving forward with his Mars goals. If he establishes a base on mars, it is essentially his. Earth based countries are forbidden (in treaty at least) from claiming ownership of celestial bodies. What's to stop him declaring himself emperor of Mars. The person that controls the flow of supplies to an isolated world is pretty much all powerful.


> Why would he run for president, when he could quite possibly own a planet if he keeps moving forward with his Mars goals.

Countries have armies. Armies enforce international (and eventually planetary) rights. Countries also make laws. Laws that Musk must follow or risk consequences.

> If he establishes a base on mars, it is essentially his. Earth based countries are forbidden (in treaty at least) from claiming ownership of celestial bodies. What's to stop him declaring himself emperor of Mars.

He’d be a paper emperor. No method or means of enforcing his claimed dominion.

> The person that controls the flow of supplies to an isolated world is pretty much all powerful.

Countries control the right to launch those supplies. Musk is a few steps below that in the chain of power.


Space warfare 101. If you control orbital space nobody could touch you.

By the way this is totally off-topic, Musk may say a few stupid things and piss a few people off but he is no Putin or James Bond Super-Villain.


You realise he needs permission from the government to even develop rockets, much less launch them into space and all the other crap. Unless there's an autonomous community on Mars that can defend from the US Space force, no private entity will be emperor of anything unless they are controlling things on Earth.


He already has permission to launch his rockets. Or he can just move the company to another country. Once the colony is established and has reached a certain size its probably inevitable. At that point what is the US going to do? Nuke the colonies to prevent independence? Figure out a way to load 100's of marines onto rockets and send them to mars? Starve the colonies? I very much doubt any of those things happen. As soon as a colony is established I think the path to independence begins.


>You realise he needs permission from the government to even develop rockets

Does he though? If the US wants to boot him out you don't think he'd move everything to Russia or China?


He does not even have to move an openly hostile country, better if he doesn't, Any country in south america or africa would bend over backwards to get his companies. Imagine the economic boom those countries would experience via trade with a space faring nation.


"Defending Mars for the US Space force" is actually pretty easy: They can't get there. Defence complete.

Without SpaceX Can the US even launch anything beyond mini-sats into LEO?


> What's to stop him declaring himself emperor of Mars.

Probably the other colonists.

Realistically, Mars isn’t going to be in a position to act independently for hundreds of years.


I was wondering why that would be the case and a quick google basically comes up with this:

> He was born in South Africa so he could never become President of the United States.

Didn't know that was a requirement. TIL :D


You might recall a certain movement asking for Obama's birth certificate to prove that he was born in the US, back when he ran for president.

It's not completely clear that you need to be born in the US - several presidents and presidential candidates weren't - but it's pretty clear that foreigners who become naturalized US citizens later in life are not eligible to run for president.


Yes - I don’t believe there is a requirement to be born inside US territory (Ted Cruz was born in Canada and clearly desperately wants to be president!) - just to be a US citizen at birth.


Fun fact: George Washington was foreign born


The constitution explicitly has an exemption for those existing before ratification


He was born in the British colony of Virginia. There's no point in history where you could describe that as "foreign" to the US, in the same way you wouldn't say Stalin was "foreign born" from the USSR.


If not for that detail, Arnold would have run against Obama.


He seems to despise gov red tape so can’t picture him running for office




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