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America's poor can't travel (it costs! even if you bus it, you need time off work, a place to stay, etc), they can't have gourmet food delivered (it costs!), they can't fetch a driver (it costs!), they often can't drive themselves (cars cost!).

They also generally can't afford medical care, child care, a wide variety of leisure activities (plays, shows, even movies cost!)

They do have access to information and music, but if I had to be a medieval king or a poor person in Cleveland, it is such a no-brainer I can't even understand how the question is being asked.




> America's poor can't travel

How do you explain the hundreds of thousands of destitute migrants tramping thousands of miles to get here?

They'll get treated for free in emergency rooms. Medieval doctors were worse than no medical care at all, ever.

> even movies cost!

During the Depression, the movie houses were full of people sleeping, as they were cheaper than a hotel.


> They'll get treated for free in emergency rooms.

Um, no, that is not free in the US. You can go into serious debt that way.


They still get free treatment, regardless of their debt. The hospitals just write off those debts, it's covered by the high prices they charge the patients who can pay.


Defaulting on a debt isn't the same thing as getting something for free.


That's exactly what it is.


If you're a rich person with stuff in your company's name, or some kind of structured impersonal assets (and ultimately, relatives to take care of you, and friends to do you favors every time you bankrupt and default Trump-style) yes.

Otherwise, there are repercusions from one that aren't there on the other - up to incoming a debt slave to your default's arrangement, not getting any credit anymore, and even ending up homeless.


You're still getting something for nothing. And in a few years, your debt is expunged.


By your logic literally everything is free, since you can borrow cash and pay for it with cash and default on the debt.


Medical debt collection and reporting is much more restricted than other kinds. You can certainly treat it as free very easily if you want to.


>>>if I had to be a medieval king or a poor person in Cleveland, it is such a no-brainer I can't even understand how the question is being asked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_I_of_England#Death

The King of England died from a disease caused by getting shit particles in your food. Diarrheal disease deaths are barely on the radar of US fatalities. https://www.healthdata.org/news-release/despite-reductions-i...


>The King of England died from a disease caused by getting shit particles in your food.

So? Many people die from even baser diceases today too. Including homeless and poor people in the US. And they toil their whole lives before that, and are made to feel insignificant, and have no power or servants, unlike the kings.


Did you read the healthcare link I provided? Death from those sorts of diseases are a tiny fraction of fatalities in the US. They're so small that it is disingenuous to extrapolate them as indicative of the plight of "the poor in Cleveland" writ large.

But just for English kings who died of natural causes, dysentery killed 2 and food poisoning 1, out of 60 total (dead from natural causes, not 60 total monarchs....a 5% fatality rate for the most powerful people in the land. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monarchs_of_the_Britis...

"made to feel insignificant" "have no power"....I'd really like to see how you are quantifying these, and why you would weight them so heavily in a quality-of-life assessment to even mention them in the same breadth as dying of preventable food sanitation diseases.




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