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They don't hold a minority share. Monopolies are not decided by the world, they're decided by countries for that country's market

Plenty of sites claim they have a majority in the USA

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-sta...

UK

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-kin...

Japan

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/japan

Each of those countries could easily bring suit. They wouldn't care at all that in some other country Apple is not the largest player.

Louis Vuitton is a bad example as their market share is tiny. AFAIK there is no clothing brand with a market percent as large as Apple's mobile market percent. Maybe Luxotica in eyewear but some articles claim their market is only around 20%




That's hardly a monopoly, there's hardly any absence of competition. Even if it was a monopoly it would't be illegal by default but it's not a monopoly anyway. It's more like %50 to %70 of the people in US/JP/UK have chosen to purchase the products of that company but they could have chosen any other brand that is available to them. In fact, people in countries of similar affluence have chosen the other way around with France %63, Netherlands %54, Germany %58, Spain %78 Android and there's nothing stopping the UK/US/JP do the exactly the same as the alternatives are available and competative.

It looks like Apple managed to design devices that Americans like more than the ones the other brands designed and there's nothing wrong about it.

Can Apple abuse it's position position in the market, even the smallest company can do that but the key is that if that happens people do have the option to do purchases from somewhere else.


In the UK a market share of 40% is enough for the competition authorities to investigate a company for monopolistic practices. It's less about market share and more about if the company is using its position in one market to create an unfair advantage in another. iOS and Android are both in a position with market power in many countries.


I agree. Being monopoly isn't even illegal anyway.


So do you feel that anything other than 100% market share counts as a monopoly? Where would you draw the line?


> So do you feel that anything other than 100% market share counts as a monopoly?

No I did not say that. I say, there's a healthy competition and there's no monopoly as people have viable alternatives and in many other countries people choose these alternatives and people where Apple is dominant do have the same alternatives to choose from.

There's no such thing as "right of minimum market share" that Apple violates by selling too many devices.

People do have the options and if they still buy Apple that's not monopoly, that's success.


But do you honestly believe that a duopoly in which the two companies tightly collaborate provides a reasonable choice to the consumers?


No, I'm very annoyed by Google as their product quality keeps declining year after year and I do not have a real choice.

In fact, I have no practical ability to change my e-mail address as I'm using it since 1st of April 2004 and Google does not offer me to keep the address if I want to switch to another provider.

My arguments are in defence of Apple, not Google. I can move away from Apple at any time but I can't do the same with Google.


> I can move away from Apple at any time

For you it might be true but not for many Apple users who are deep into the Apple ecosystem.


How so? What Apple services are impossible or impractical to switch away from?

Inconvenient? Could be. Note a drop-in replacement? Sure, that's why there are different companies.


iMessage, Apple Watch... iCloud?


iMessage: WhatsApp, Signal, SMS etc. No One uses iMessage outside of the US, alternatives are very good and available on all platforms. You don't lose access to your social circle by switching away from iMessage.

Apple Watch: Just another device that has numerous alternatives. Many excel in some way, not crappy alternatives.

iCould: There are numerous alternatives, free and paid and work very well.

So, if you like to get rid of Apple, you simply tell the people you care that they can reach you from WhatsApp or your favourite alternative. Buy the new device, follow the transfer data and setting instructions, erase your iPhone&watch, give them away or sell them and you are done.


Same things can be said about your email address at Google. I moved to an alternative within a year, manually, by changing all services one after another. It was hard but worth it.


True - I did the same thing.

But the you claim that people can’s move away from Apple is false. Why do you keep advancing it?


Nothing is impossible. However everyone agrees that Apple created a walled garden which is hard to escape. Try to use their watches without an iPhone.


> However everyone agrees that Apple created a walled garden which is hard to escape.

An obviously false statement.

> Try to use their watches without an iPhone.

Their watches are an iPhone accessory advertised as requiring an iPhone in order to work.

Anyone who buys one thinking otherwise has been misinformed by someone other than Apple, and can return it to the store for a full refund. Then they can buy one of many Android wear or other smartwatches instead.


>> However everyone agrees that Apple created a walled garden which is hard to escape.

>An obviously false statement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.#Accusa...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_platform#Aspects

> Their watches are an iPhone accessory advertised as requiring an iPhone in order to work.

Not in their video ads. Also, at https://www.apple.com/watch/ it's buried at the end of the tiny font.


Just because something is on Wikipedia doesn’t mean ‘everyone agrees with it. You can’t seriously believe this.

Are you really trying to claim people are buying Apple watches they can’t use because they don’t have an iPhone?

That doesn’t seem grounded in reality.


Wikipedia is not a source. It's a list of reliable sources. Feel free to read the carefully provided links.


Not one of those sources represents something ‘everyone agrees’ with. You know this.


From my second link: "Apple iOS and other mobile devices, which are restricted to running pre-approved applications from a digital distribution service." If you find The Guardian and Time references unsatisfactory, consider this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21587191.

I really don't understand why you are so much defending Apple.


I’m not defending Apple. I’m rebutting the ridiculous idea that what is printed in the Guardian is what ‘everybody agrees’.


I did not suggest that an article in Guardian means everybody agrees with that. In this case, Apple themselves agree that the iOS platform is closed for many things.


Yes you did. You posted it as evidence of this statement you made:

>> However everyone agrees that Apple created a walled garden which is hard to escape.

Apple agrees it’s closed in some ways. Far from ‘everyone’ thinks it’s hard to escape.




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