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Search for “unvaccinated vs vaccinated cartoon” on google images and have a look. Remind you of anything?



> Remind you of anything?

Sloppy metaphor?

Seriously: what am I supposed to glean here?


That stereotyping and scapegoating of the unvaccinated is occurring and is animating the support of increasingly oppressive policies against them. Many of whom have natural immunity and pose less risk than those vaccinated in early 2021.


> That stereotyping and scapegoating of the unvaccinated is occurring and is animating the support of increasingly oppressive policies against them.

There is nothing oppressive about universal, free access to a safe vaccine. Seriously: have some perspective.


The oppression is being barred from travel, work, and many aspects of public life. If you strip away your opinions about the risk and benefits of vaccination and look at the people not vaccinated as a group agnotistically, they are being oppressed more and more each week, and many of them have better antibodies than the vaccinated at this point.

What will you do if the government mandates you to take a drug for similar justifications one day, but you actually honestly do not think it is safe for you? Do you think this precedent even if we assume good intentions is a good slope to be eagerly sliding down? What if we find drug interactions or other correlated variables that harm people who take it, or evidence comes along that affect your decision but the government disagrees? How much do you trust the authorities to navigate this, and how much are you willing to give up to them if you are one day on the non-consensus side?


> The oppression is being barred from travel, work, and many aspects of public life.

I'm sorry, but you're not oppressed. You've decided not to take a free and effective vaccine, and society is going to make collective public health decisions whether you participate or not.


I’m pro-vax, anti-authoritarianism. I realize this is hard for a lot of people (like yourself?) but it really shouldn’t be.


> I’m pro-vax, anti-authoritarianism.

This is a bizarre (and uniquely contemporaneous and American) notion of "authoritarianism." We really are a country of new and strange ideas!


Not really. If you disagree, I dare you to burn your vaccination card and see how life is for you over the coming months.

There are many people like me who do not like seeing what is going on and are fully vaccinated. We have read enough history and have seen the hatred forming towards people divided on political and cultural lines, as the state pushes the envelope of acceptable oppression as it always does. Authoritarianism only happens when enough people can form a “reasonable” argument justifying it, usually out of fear or hatred of others, not rationally. Given the lack of acceptance of natural immunity, rationality seems not a full explanation.

Just because you think getting vaccinated is a good idea doesn’t mean you can ignore oppression around you towards those who are trying to defend their right to body autonomy. Besides, what if you are next?


> Not really. If you disagree, I dare you to burn your vaccination card and see how life is for you over the coming months.

New York state, in its infinite wisdom, has electronic vaccine records. There's even a blockchain involved, for some reason.

I shared my vaccine records with my elementary school, middle school, high school, and college before attending each. If I had burned those records, they would have made me get vaccinated again. But that doesn't make me "oppressed," it makes me a fool who burned my vaccine records.

> Besides, what if you are next?

Oblique comparisons to the Holocaust are as ridiculous and offensive as direct ones.


I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you’re deliberately trying to not understand here.


> they would have made me get vaccinated again

Doubt.


> Doubt.

I was required to get a DTaP vaccine in college (in another state, mind you) because I couldn't prove that I had gotten one as an adolescent. I had gotten one, but I'd lost the record.


Ahh I see so you were required in college, but not in high school and under.


No, you’ve misunderstood: I lost the records between high school. I have multiple friends who were required to get their MMR vaccines again in high school because they couldn’t find their records.




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