This is fine if the person saying it is the only one involved. Unfortunately, there are many in that community - for example children not yet of age - who have absolutely no say in the matter. Thus it's incumbent on people like us to at least try to help them. QED.
If Covid impacted the general population the same way it did kids, this would be over by now. We know who the vulnerable people are, and almost all of them are over 50. I don't think that's the best way to approach the issue.
Fundamental freedoms can be dangerous. This is something that's hard to admit for people who've never experienced the more real side of life, the people who haven't stared death in the eye before.
Patrick Henry was not the only person involved when he made his declaration. Many people died, due in part to his words. Life is nasty, hard, and has a 100% mortality rate.
Let me put it this way: would becoming a full police state be worth it to you, if it eliminated Covid? No? Where's the line?
The story I've heard is Delta isn't any more deadly to the over 50 crowd, but it's definitely more deadly to the under 50 crowd. I understand there's been a surge of younger adults going to the hospitals and ICUs and young children are filling up the children's hospitals. I suspect the younger people respond better to treatment, but I don't have any stats to reinforce that suspicion. Even so, they're filling hospitals and there have already been cases where people having non-Covid related issues have died while trying to find a hospital able to admit them. It's a mess.
I keep thinking, even though I myself have gotten vaccinated against COVID-19, and I wish that as many people as possible get the vaccine too so we can have a chance of herd immunity, that in a way maybe a small small amount of people not getting vaccinated is good.
I think of this because I think, even though I trust the vaccine to be safe, what if there are unknown side-effects. In that way it is good that some people don’t get vaccinated. So that humanity still has some people that don’t get those side effects.
So in a way, it would be like a natural way for the human race as a whole, to continue existing, by some people not getting vaccinated and possibly being the ones that made the right choice after all.
Does that make sense? I think it does. Even though I believe in the vaccine. But I am talking about the bigger picture of the humanity as a whole over the whole course of its history. That it’s like a strategy that helps us survive by having us believe different things and therefore acting differently on the same information. And that sometimes one group of people is right, and usually it’s the majority group. But that this helps us survive those times when the minority is actually right.
I have already but I'm used to it. As I said in my reply, what matters most is concern for those who'll be infected next and those who are already dying.
If awkward language has to be used to rectify things/save lives then so be it (it may as well be me as anyone else). I have difficulty understanding why this is not the correct and proper thing to do. What's so wrong with stating the obvious truth?
It seems to me that these days sensibilities and what people think are more important than saving lives. If this is in fact so, then heaven help us.
Not everybody is able to get the vaccine. That's why the vaccination goal isn't 100% of the population, it's 100% of the eligible population. Even that can't be achieved - as it's never been achieved with any other vaccine. That's all known and was anticipated. What wasn't anticipated was how low the vaccination rate would be and the leading indicator of whether the vaccination rate is high or low in a particular area is whether the majority of the voters are registered as Republicans or Democrats. No one saw that coming, yet here we are.
Probably because those 15% of people are driving 50% or more of the spread. One of the reasons Delta is such a big deal is that it raised the herd immunity threshold from around 70% to around 95% (of 2 dose MRNA based, J&J wouldn't be strong enough to provide herd immunity if 100% of people had it).
Sweden has 65% vaccinated and no mask mandates or passports, or mandatory vaccines. It’s purely a political decision and nothing to do with this or that rate.
Previously BC had 1/10th of the infections no one vaccinated and we were open for business.
Life is deadly, it eventually kills you and everyone around you whether you like it or not#.
Life's a risk from well before you were born until the day you die. Taking risks everyday is what life's all about. That said, when transversing life's obstacles it's incumbent on you to do your best to not trample on others and thus increase their risks. And sometimes that means taking additional risks yourself as it's the right and proper thing to do as it minimize the risks for others - and here that additional risk is pretty insignificant - that of bring vaccinated.
I'd contend that those who aren't prepared to take that risk are acting selfishly. If not, then they're spooked or damn scared.
Why some people in the US, where there's access to good eduation, verifiably accurate information, etc., and yet they still refuse to accept evidence and logical argument is one of the big conundrums of our time. Still, even with all these obstacles in hand it's our duty to help them, difficult as that may be.
# That's a raw point at the moment for me as a close friend of some decades died a few days ago (no, it wasn't COVID).
Even though we talk about "the" vaccine, there isn't only one; there are half a dozen different vaccines being administered world-wide, using different methods of production. We're talking about all these independently-developed vaccines failing catastrophically in a way no other vaccine has ever failed before -- reactions after two weeks are incredibly rare. We're thousands of times more likely to be wiped out by a meteor.
Right. There's very little in common between, let's say, the Moderna and Sputnik vaccines. The effects appear to be similar but the underlying technology is completely different.
I keep thinking, even though I myself have gotten vaccinated against COVID-19, and I wish that as many people as possible get the vaccine to so we can have a chance of herd immunity, that in a way maybe a small small amount of people not getting vaccinated is good.
Imagine reading that sentence in a newspaper op-ed in 1956 but with the word "polio" in place of "COVID-19".
True, but that has no bearing on facts. And I did use the word 'perhaps'.
The tragedy is people are dying there more than many other places in the US, so that begs the question as to why. Covering the issues up with sweet words or ignoring them doesn't help the next lot who'll become infected and those who are seriously ill and about to die.
