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Ideally the fines would pay for the program, but how expensive is it really to have an anonymous phone tip line, and reuse existing infrastructure to fine or ticket a property owner?



> how expensive is it really

The answer, as with all govtech, is “a lot more than it should be.” Governments, especially local governments, have no internal technology competence, and have to rely on vendors and contractors for absolutely everything.


It's also a 2-part cost.

To run a tip-line and collect tips: probably very little.

To act on that information, so you're able to identify and punish violators, without which there's no point in having a tip line: looooooots more.


You just have to make the fine enough that it covers the cost of defending it against the people that do contest it.


I haven't seen any evidence that governments, local or otherwise, spend "a lot more than it should [cost]." They are (correctly) unable to subsidize the cost of development by selling data, which in some cases means they cannot use certain preexisting libraries. But many groups have to rely on vendors and contractors for their technical needs. Their costs should be compared to other groups outsourcing their needs.


> They are (correctly) unable to subsidize the cost of development by selling data, which in some cases means they cannot use certain preexisting libraries.

This is not what raises the cost of development. It’s not having any in-house knowledge of software development or even how to manage software development contracts effectively. Most companies that require a lot of software end up building development organizations, because they recognize that paying someone else to do it is more expensive long-term. That’s not an option available to most governments.

It’s possible that this is just an inherent effect of outsourcing but even if it is, it ends up being too inefficient to justify.


Do you have any evidence that it is "too inefficient"? Because you keep asserting it and I just don't believe you.


I'm not sure why there needs to be a lot of tech involved for a phone line for people to call in tips.


I mean you can have Joe writing it down on a piece of paper, sure. But when it gets to a computer, costs start coming up. It depends on how the software works but the products used tend to be a) ancient and b) often either not configurable enough to support new use cases or so complicated that you have to submit a change request to the vendor to do it for you.


Idk I imagined an excel spreadsheet, which hits the middle ground between paper and some complex govtech application. If it is successful and fines/funding rolls in then maybe upgrade


And the cost for an enforcement agent/department to investigate. And each agent's salary, benefits, and pension.

In many cities, the police don't even respond to auto/bike burglaries -- they're very minimally staffed.


Most cities have ample police force them being understaffed is somewhat of a bullshit narrative.

For example NYPD has 36000 ifficers for 8.4M residents or 1 for every 230 people. In Chicago it's 225. In Seattle it's over 500 but they could probably afford more if they weren't paying individual officers up to 400k including non electronically tracked probably fraudulent overtime.




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