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This Vice story is just part of the smear campaign.

Strategy: “We should spend the first part of our response strongly laying out the case for why the organizer’s conduct was immoral, unacceptable, and arguably illegal, in detail, and only then follow with our usual talking points about worker safety,” Zapolsky wrote. “Make him the most interesting part of the story, and if possible make him the face of the entire union/organizing movement.”

As applied: “I was frustrated and upset that an Amazon employee would endanger the health and safety of other Amazonians by repeatedly returning to the premises after having been warned to quarantine himself after exposure to virus Covid-19,” he said. “I let my emotions draft my words and get the better of me.”




“I let my emotions draft my words and get the better of me.”

What a pathetic excuse from the General Counsel of one of the world's most powerful firms when caught engaging in employee retaliation. This isn't acceptable from any lawyer.


Lifting it from one of my comments downthread:

Better to make the world's worst excuse than lie in a way that'll instantly be revealed in discovery for any case that comes of this.

The surprise is that he let himself be reached for comment at all. Between that and the "yeah, I sure goofed it, huh?" style of what he said when he was, I wouldn't be too astonished to see a golden handshake eventuate in the fullness of time.


if you were cynical, you might say this is just yet another attempt at spin; to present himself as a relatable human (like "we all get angry, we all make mistakes", although note he didn't use e.g. angry, but "frustrated", "upset", and "emotions", vaguer and more passive options).

this could work, too, as long as you forget that drafting words seems to literally be his job (for which i'm sure he's handsomely rewarded).


Not smart or articulate.


Oddly, it reminds me of the way big banks handled Occupy movement. That was the first time I saw memes used as a carrier for straight propaganda. It was a sad moment for me. Mostly because having seen one of those memes, I immediately understood how terrifyingly effective they can be. Amazon has clearly learned a lot over the past few decades.

odd edit: Just in case. I was kinda doing a fair amount of shorts on Amazon lately, so my opinion is not unbiased.


Could you show a few of those memes from back then?


I dug through my hdd and for the life of my I could not find the ones I was thinking of ( maybe it is time to finally tag my stuff properly ).

I looked online and I was only able to find one example of what I was thinking of ( https://awwmemes.com/i/spreads-message-of-anti-capitalism-fr... ). The one I remember was equally silly along the lines of "hates banks, uses money = hypocrite".

I will keep digging, because I know what I am looking for and it is not ancient history. I should have it somewhere.


Those are extremely lazy and I don't understand how someone takes them seriously.

It's like saying:

"Kidnapped victim runs away by shooting the captor's knee...

with the captor's gun, hypocrite much?!"


You would be surprised how much you of what you see around you, you internalize.

The message sticks with you. Look at me. It has been years now and I just remember the message despite not remembering the exact words.

Just for that reason alone I was surprised/grateful, I did not see that great a push from ad industry to use memes yet. There are clearly some thinly disguised ads, but the various communities tends to weed them out fast.


Wait, are you saying this meme that you posted comes from the banks during the height of the Occupy movement? Or if not, how did their talking points / PR reach the undiscriminating masses and become this? I remember this meme, but always assumed it came from Apple-haters or unsophisticated Fox News types.


I am not saying that I know for a fact that this particular meme was concocted by a PR firm, blessed by an internal department and rolled out on imgur, 9gag, 4chan and anywhere else it could find fertile ground. I do not have access to that kind of records. That said, by now it is publicly available knowledge that lobbying firms were proposing ways to handle OWS(1).

I do remember it popping up in a lot of places with anti-OWS message and I just found it interesting in terms of timing and how the subject was basically designed to be hated at the time. Like I said, it is this meme template. I can't find the one with exact wording, which is why it got my attention back then. It does not help that I don't remember the exact phrase.

I will add as a general note that memes are ridiculously easy to create and disseminate en masse. You can obviously create metric ton of variants and see what sticks best. To your point, they can be done Fox News types, Apple-haters, dog-lovers, apple pickers, you name it and tracking its origin can be genuinely hard.

1.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063843/Occupy-Wall...


It's more likely that voluntarists/ancaps/libertarians made the meme than some PR firm, no?


I'm also interested. I was paying attention to memes during that period and don't remember any which fit.


They call this message discipline. When the press asks you about something, always bring it back to your talking points.


Yep, literally applying the strategy Vice exposed, in the article exposing it.


I don’t think this tracks. If anything, it exposed that all of Amazon’s statements around this are not in anyway to be trusted.


Agreed. They are totally exposed as arguing in bad faith. All of their statements on this will be tainted.




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