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How much does threadripper usually cost relative to epyc for same # of cores?



20-30% usually. You get faster cores but no LRDIMM (i.e. you are constrained effectively to 128GB ECC UDIMM, at best 256GB ECC UDIMM if you are lucky to get 32GB ECC UDIMM modules). EPYC has 4TB ECC LRDIMM ceiling, new TR on TRX80 might have the same ceiling as well. I am glad that AMD provides TR as they make way less $ on them than on EPYC, but it's a great marketing tool for them. I am running some TRs for Deep Learning rigs (PCIe slots are most important) on Linux, and they are great, Titan RTXs and Teslas run without any issue, but Zen 2 should give me much better performance on classical ML with Intel MKL/BLAS in PySpark/SciKit-Learn, so I can't wait to get some.


Naive question: Are you able to use MKL on an AMD chip without jumping through too many hoops?


Yes, just pip install ..., but it's 2x slower than on Intel for Zen/Zen+. Only Zen 2 is close to Intel.


Intel makes rather pessimistic assumptions about AMD and uses the model name to pick which code path to use and ignores the CPU flags for floating point, etc.

So if you want to compare performance fairly I'd use gcc (or at least a non-intel compiler) and one of the MKL like libraries (ACML, gotoblas, openblas, etc). AMD has been directly contributing to various projects to optimize for AMD CPUs. They used to have their own compiler (that went from SGI -> cray -> pathscale or similar), but since then I believe have been contributing to GCC, LLVM, and various libraries.


Yeah, still, Zen 2 is much faster in OpenBLAS and is faster in MKL than Zen/+ as well.


It's lumpy and depends on exactly when you ask.

If shopping I'd compare the highest end Ryzen + motherboard and the lowest end Epyc single socket chip and motherboard and try to guesstimate that price/performance for your workload.

Generally the Threadrippers seem like a much lower volume product and the motherboards are often quite expensive (for the current generation). Both Ryzen and Epyc enjoy significantly higher volumes.

Keep in mind that Threadripper has twice the memory bandwidth of Ryzen, but half the memory bandwidth of Epyc.




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