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> the device created the data, they played a role but I don't see why that means they control it

The user owns the device. Full stop.




Owning a device is not owning the data. Full stop :)


You are wrong.


Neither of us is wrong :), but neither of us is probably right. Your full stop refusal to see the other side is worrisome to me. There are other viewpoints out there, I'd appreciate if you try to understand them. I understand yours but if you react with stubborn hostility, I will mirror it :)


I can see how you might think I'm not seeing other viewpoints. Instead, perhaps you should see that I am rejecting other viewpoints. And I can see how it would worry you: your comments worry me too.

So let me re-frame our conversation. Let me re-root it to something that I will not budge on:

If I buy a device then I own the data on it. If I own a device then I own the data collected by it. If I own data, then I have every right to refuse to allow that data to be accessed by anyone other than myself.

If you want access to the data to be a precondition of my use of the device, then do not pretend you sold the device to me. At best you are providing a lease.


Yep, I understand what you are saying, what I am saying is that I do not agree with you :). I do not think buying a device means that the data it produces is solely yours to control/own.

You are welcome to disagree with me :)


So would you please post the data on your devices here on HN, since you think we are all collectively owners of it? How about we start with your location and search history.




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