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MSG naturally occurs in naturally ripened tomatoes and some cheeses. Do you also have issues with those?



Reactions to MSG are not allergic.

It's not like eating something cooked in a pot that previously had shrimp type of thing.

A fairly macroscopically large dose of the stuff does something with the blood flow in veins around the head or sensitivity of nerves or something. It's not a serious medical condition, like an allergic attack; just a nuisance.


Can you provide some studies that prove the effects you are describing? I have definitely looked, but the only credible studies I've found conclude there is absolutely no way to get an adverse response unless you are eating multiple grams of pure MSG on a completely empty stomach with no other food. That is the "best case" scenario, there's plenty of studies concluding they can't find any evidence at all.


Unfortunately not everything has been studied. For my case, there are a lot of celiacs that report sinus headaches [1], but I can't find a single paper on it. Is it a real problem? Definitely, I would love to be able to eat whatever. Can I point to research? Nope.

1. https://www.aaaai.org/ask-the-expert/coeliac-disease-sinusit...


You want a credible study? Eat a teaspoon of MSG & try not to have a migraine.


That would be approximately the same as trying to eat only a tablespoon of salt. Which would definitely cause headaches, at least from dehydration.

You're only supposed to use a half teaspoon to flavor six whole servings of soup. It's an incredibly strong flavor enhancer, and is really not recommended for solo consumption.


> Which would definitely cause headaches, at least from dehydration.

In the summers, when I sweat a lot due to running and cycling, I dump that much salt into a bowl of soup. I don't have any ill effects. In fact, beefing up the salt intake wards off muscle cramps and lethargy.

Japan's allowance for daily salt intake for men sets an upper bound of 12 grams (salt, not sodium).

You have it backwards, by the way. MSG has a rather large molecular weight compared to NaCL. A given mass of MSG has less sodium than the same mass of salt. This is very easy to get in precise numbers: the molecular weight of MSG 169.111 g/mol is and of salt 58.44 g/mol. A mole of MSG has the same amount of sodium as a mole of salt: one weighs 169g. the other 54g: close to triple. Secondly, MSG is less dense than salt: the same mass of MSG takes 33% more space than a given mass of salt. This magnifies the difference. Basically if we have equal sized heaps of salt and MSG, the MSG has about 1/4 of the sodium compared to the salt.

In a restaurant, they can easily dump a teaspoon of MSG (about 4g) into your mapotofu or noodle soup or whatever. Manufactured products of good brands are going to be reasonable. Someone holding a shaker MSG over a pot isn't going to be that much. Not consistently so, day in, day out. Consider that some of the ingredients already have MSG (e.g. marinated or processed meats), then there is natural glutamate in some of it, and then they add some half teaspoon (about 2g) of MSG crystals. Things add up.


> In a restaurant, they can easily dump a teaspoon of MSG (about 4g) into your mapotofu or noodle soup

That seems unlikely to me - that is a lot of MSG. I occasionally use MSG when cooking at home, and quickly realised that any more than a small pinch per serving completely ruins a dish.

Also, do you seriously put a tablespoon of salt in a single bowl of soup? I can't understand how that could be palatable!


Most restaurants will also oversalt the food.

If the problem with the ingredient is that it's being overused, the problem is not the ingredient, it's the cook.


The MS in MSG is for sodium, so yeah a large dose hurts. "MSG good or bad?" isn't the main question. "MSG vs salt" is.


Tomatoes yes. Haven't isolated types of cheese but it's good to know. Had some soft brie last week without issue. I keep my diet really simple to not get headaches, so cheese isn't a huge part of my life.




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