On: The libkern C++ Runtime

[X-Istence]

Certain devices are still going to need loadable kernel modules to be supported.

For example USB to Serial devices, or custom media devices, and more. I really don't expect kernel modules to go away.

[w0de0 → X-Istence]

Exactly right. Often for devices, but also for software (usually enterprise). Here is a list of kernal extensions compiled by the macadmins community: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IWrbE8xiau4rU2mtXYji...

[mattbauer → X-Istence]

I think kernel modules will go away at some point. Having no third party Kexts would increase the security of the OS for in use systems. That's a nice way of saying not all third-party Kexts are created equal.

I could see an argument where moving existing hardware Kexts to user space is easier because IOKit uses the libkern C++ Runtime. The OO design of IOKit may lend itself very nicely to the driver approach BarrelFish takes (http://www.barrelfish.org). The real hard one to move to user space would be third-party filesystems. That's mainly because of dated VFS architecture used in *NIX systems. I could see Apple completely moving away from that at a future point too.

[wichert → X-Istence]

I found Serial[1] a while ago: a decent terminal application that does not require any drivers / kernel modules to support USB-to-serial devices.

[1] https://www.decisivetactics.com/products/serial/

[voltagex_ → wichert]

I wonder how that works?

[pilif → voltagex_]

macOS comes with very good USB support in user-space that works without any drivers.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/iokit/iousbinterfa...

[blattimwind → voltagex_]

libusb or a similar userspace USB construct? You don't need anything privileged to write an USB device driver.

[1over137 → X-Istence]

How many USB<->serial adaptors are there out there? Since 10.9 (IIRC), they've included their own FTDI driver.

I sure hope you're right though. It hasn't happened yet thankfully!