Quite frankly, whatever values they want. Telling someone to be conscientious about their actions isn't indoctrination. If they take the time, step back from the situation, and make a decision different than the one you would've made, that's still a win.
Right, so let's look at it from the perspective of a group of ISIS members, and analyze first what a "desirable outcome" is.
According to their own magazine, the objective of ISIS is to "[make it so] the Blessed flag [of their religion]...covers all eastern and western extents of the Earth, filling the world with the truth and justice of Islam and putting an end to the falsehood and tyranny of jahiliyyah [state of ignorance], even if American and its coalition despise such. " So basically, the "desirable outcome" is a Muslim (of the Wahabi brand ISIS prefers) world.
Now we know what the "desirable outcome" of a large chunk of people is, let's take a look at what "values" can "produce" this desirable outcome.
Judging from the actions of ISIS, these include
* Public beheading
* Rape and enslaving of non-Wahabi women
* Destruction of historical monuments
* Detonating explosives among gathered civilians
So, are these the values you are arguing to teach children? Obviously not, but do you see my point?
It's not so complicated. The article is about jail and impulse control, so the desired "outcome" is to stay out of jail and the "value", if you'd even call it that, is to temper momentary impulses to foster longer term thinking. Except in extreme cases, just spending time with someone and caring about that person gets you most of the way there, regardless of the specific values you're trying to impart.
If you want to regress forever you can quickly reach the bedrock question of, "Why do anything?" And if you want to drill hard enough, yes, there is no absolute answer to that. We get it.
But, back in reality, most of us have a general handle on outcomes that are good and bad for humans, and what people want day to day and for society. Safety is better than danger. Health is better than disease. Joy is better than pain. Choice is better than slavery. And so on.
If you want to have a hyper-abstract philosophical debate on bedrock values or is/ought, you should start a discussion that is targeting that question.
Those "bedrock values" you call "bedrock" are not as such at all.
What about those that get joy from pain? What about brothel owners that highly value the slavery that gets them their women? What about terrorists cells that desire chaos above safety?
>Unless you state what you think are desireable outcomes, your statement means nothing
Only if we start as some kind of visitors from Mars who don't know the earthly ways.
Else, the "desirable outcomes" are pretty much agreed upon, at least for most people: keep mentally and physically healthy, study, get a good job, support your family, be good to others, don't be a criminal (as in TFA), etc.
Some families I know argue profit above all things, comfort above all things. Morbidly obese families, for example, do not feel that physical health is an important value.
>Get a good job
I know families that value finding welfare loopholes to facilitate a non-working lifestyle.
>Support your family
I know people that very much do not value supporting their family
>Be good to others
ISIS members do not value being good to non-Muslims. (they do not agree with your values)
>Don't be a criminal
Members of gangs generally completely disagree with this.
Somehow the person you're replying to is being downvoted for suggesting, essentially, that "people believe different things are important." Are we going to seriously argue against that?
You mean, most people in power/authority, who have a vested interest in keeping the status quo.
> study
Why is study in and of itself a desireable outcome? That's an activity in service of a goal, not the goal itself. Unless you think that accumulation of knowledge without application is a good/worthy goal.
> support your family
Do you mean blood family or whoever you married? I fail to see why I should support somebody I married unless I choose to, as they're a person with the ability to support themselves.
