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    > ultimately the "miles"
    > they sell are for the very
    > same "seats"
No figure to support the following claim, but I'd expect 50% of miles to expire without being redeemed.

But also: I recently stayed at the Conrad Rangali "for free" having accumulated enough points. Food, a small upgrade, transfer to the island, etc conspired to add an extra $5,000 of spend on a five night stay. Don't underestimate the upsell!




Well, yeah. It's the Maldives.

I've used points for five-night stays at the Conrads in Seoul and Tokyo without having a single dime on my invoice at checkout.


I have not escaped any points stay without additional spend, and I suspect that makes me the much more typical case than you.


At a resort, I expect you're right.

But in an urban setting? What is there to spend money on at the hotel that isn't better off-property? Especially at Hilton properties where anyone with enough points for a redemption at least has gold status and gets free breakfast and likely lounge access.


112 nights in Hilton properties last year, about 20% redeemed. I eat at the hotel restaurants a lot because it's convenient (and occasionally good — Trianon Palace probably having the best Hilton restaurant), I generally get them to book my airport transport because it's convenient, I often raid the minbar for water because it's convenient, and I usually have room service at least once.




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