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Combine this with SLAM+VIO + humanoid robot and you got Skynet literally


ah this is actually quite valuable because it utilizes CV

I'm kinda surprised why you chose to open source this instead of slapping AGPLv3 like all the YC funded github projects are doing


Haha we are not unique there. We chose AGPL-3 as well -- become some would argue it's like an open source virus -- everything it touches must become open source! How exciting.


suchintan are you on X by any chance

how can i contact you


You can message me on our discord or email me suchintan@skyvern.com


I did desktop UI testing a couple years ago on Windows apps, and the standards solution there is to use UI Automation, which itself works by sending messages to each app that makes them run internal queries to find elements.

It seems like quite the intuitive approach, but we quickly discovered that due to differing implementations, and the reliance on the apps actually cooperating with you, it's actually so much more reliable and much faster to use OpenCV to physically detect UI elements by appearance.


Regarding "instead of": AGPL is open source too


Might as well not be for many companies; I know many who are not allowed to even glance at AGPL code for fear of getting infected (and sued).


There's an easy way to avoid being sued though: comply with AGPL and make your own work open-source as well.

The “problem” with AGPL is companies who want to use open source software to build proprietary stuff on top without contributing anything back. AGPL is purposely designed to avoid this kind of parasitic behavior, but that doesn't make it “not open source” quite the opposite: it's “forced open-source”.

It is indeed restricting companies' freedom though: their freedom to restrict their user's freedom.


Sure and I am all for it; I am just saying what my clients say to us. So for them (and it’s most of them, even if they never have any intention of changing the source code, ever), if it’s this license, they won’t touch it. That’s coming from their lawyers, no matter what we/I say.


Sure, but this has nothing to do with AGPL not being “open-source”.


Indeed, but I said ‘might as well not be’ which is not saying it’s not; it’s that companies treat it as not having access to the source.


That's a them problem. AGPL is clearly open source.


Sure, but that doesn’t change the reality. I would say ‘their loss’, but I think it’s more nuanced than that.


It's always the same story with web scraping product building: On the surface it's very interesting work. There is joy in seeing the fruits of your work automating human hours. There is also pain in seeing race to the bottom in that its very tough to get a recurring client who is always looking to reduce the cost.


care to elaborate a bit? im thinking about getting into the space


One concern I have with this is I don't see the benefit of using a fuzzy blackbox in an area that has largely been solved with traditional tree-based one-shot approaches that doesn't require AI.

Granularity and explicitness is often written off as expensive in this space but throwing a large model at a largely solved problem with existing tools and techniques seems spirit of the times.


what are some other solutions that can browse the web for me and do what I ask. The requirement is that it should take natural language instructions as input.


at this point i dont even flinch when i see "open source and free" until I check the license.


this is not even a fair comparison. mozilla isn't using all of our data to build a product that will be metered


Asking this question on a platform pretty much aligned with Sam Altman and expecting real nuanced answer is unrealistic.

Remember they shut down the thread regarding Sam Altman's sister alleging she was molested by him.

Its just incredibly sad to see how society is quick to overlook one's transgressions if it stands to benefit from that individual. Artists, CEOs, politicians, celebrities.

Just one sick world and this blatant disregard for "non-profit" because bunch of men feel they were chosen.


There was an NYPD officer who was an active tong member in NY....


Fun Fact: You don't need to apply to Ycombinator to build a business or play the product-market fit lottery


The year is 2024: companies that used scraping to build its products are now trying to legislate scraping as an illegal act


This is nothing new. Google built an entire business on scraping and indexing content, and then aggressively blocks anyone from scraping that index.

If you think about it, it's kind of weird that there is no official API for Google search. They've got one for all their other products.


The Google Search API was one of the first big Web 2.0 examples of an API. Basically every big colorful "how to do APIs" or "learn JavaScript" book in Barnes and Nobles used the Google Search API as their main example of what an API was and how useful it was until 2011 or so, when Google started turning it down.


Google: if your website is full of ads, we'll downrank you. >:(

Also Google: we automatically enabled vignette interstitials on your website. :)


Google: if your website is slow to load we'll downrank you

Also Google: builds tool that claims you load a bunch of JS & CSS from their ad network, thus making your own website slow


If you are fast to load we will present a slower amp link instead


Don't forget bloated Google Analytics and ad tracking garbage.


Now I'm curious how many tech companies actively used questionable practices to build their foundation, then lobbied to make those practices illegal to mitigate competition. I've a feeling this is so common that they don't even see the irony in it anymore.


All of them. It’s no coincidence Facebook is leading the charge to regulate social media, AI, and other technology usage.

Regulation is a nice “free”* moat once you’ve made it.

*lobbying costs aside


Don't you remember the open letter for getting current AI devs to halt under some false premise while the true reasoning was to give time for the late starters to catch up?

These people have no morals, and if social media were to suddenly disappear, I think the planet and all that live on it would be better for it


"Lyft joins Uber in fight for stronger taxi regulations"

Waiting for The Onion to write it. Or the NY Times; both are just as likely.


I read The PayPal Wars and it was wild to me how the author goes back and forth between complaining about how much regulation sucks and talking about how great it was that could take advantage of regulation in their fight about eBay.


That's what FTX was attempting to do with regard to cryptocurrency


If only they could have stolen billions instead, it would have been so much simpler


Irony is something made out of metal in the VC money fueled world of make it useful then make it expensive.


All of them. Building a value moat and rolling up the ladder 101.


To be fair, they didn't say that what Stability AI did was illegal, just that they didn't like it and were banning the people involved from their service.


But the training data isn't important!


Your sarcasm is valid on its own, but here the issue is more towards DoS rather than copying of the content.


Which companies?


Maybe they should have just not thrown such a slow pitch over the plate with running the whole thing on discord in the open.

I am not sure what they expected to happen.


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