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i haven’t personally used the AI pin, but based on reviews, it doesn’t feel like these devices are going to feel productive until a much higher % of queries is answered on-device (without going to the cloud).

MKBHD asked his pin what he was looking at, and in the time humane’s pin to take a pic, send it up to the cloud, decide what model is most appropriate, and narrate a really long (possibly hallucinatory) answer; he simply took his phone out and google lens answered correctly with a lot of time to spare.

I know these are first-gen products and the fact that this one would presumably have a much higher degree of context on my personal life might make this better (without speaking to privacy implications). Still, over-reliance on the cloud and the fact that this doesn’t interface with my phone (where most reminders, alarms, messages, etc, happen) is going to make these devices a tough sell.


You’re talking about the humane ai pin. That’s different.


It's the same in a sense that both are cloud-based, so the same set of problems applies.


That’s not how history works


It's how things can work going forward


I was so excited to see an engineering designer role open, but I can only do remote right now. Either way, I’m a big fan of the product!


Thanks! Might relax the in-person restriction when we get bigger, but tied to it for the time being.


Zoom? A company publicly traded on the Nasdaq and funded in San Jose, CA?


Surprised me too...

"The company has previously acknowledged that much of its technology development is conducted in China and security concerns from governments abound."

https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/11/zoom-admits-to-shutting-do...


The wording of things in the preferences dialog has always convinced me that it's not primarily developed in the US.


Its CEO has ties to the CCP, development is all done in China. Just because it has a company registered and claims to be founded in San Jose doesn’t mean it’s not a Chinese company.


By that logic, Apple is also a Chinese company.


Apple only assembled products in China. Almost none of the iPhone is made in China. They do no development in China. They didn’t start the company in China. They run the app store and iCloud storage separately in China.

So by that logic. No.


I do therapy and group therapy on Zoom, are they going to train a therapist AI? Does this go around HIPAA privacy rules? Would they keep a file on phi?


The ToS clearly says all "Customer Content/Customer Input" AKA your words, text, voice, face, etc can be used for "Product and Services Development" which could as easily be a facial recognition database, an FBI-style database of dirt on individuals, or literally anything else before it's an AI.


ToS can't negate HIPAA or any other laws that could potentially be violated though.


HIPAA allows you to waive your privacy rights … not sure whether a TOS would count.


I would. They already know how much I need to pay them/how much they owe me. It should be as simple as a text message I reply “y/n” to.


> It should be as simple as a text message I reply “y/n” to

I'm curious, what happens in your scenario if you reply 'no'?


Revert to existing experience?


> They already know how much I need to pay them/how much they owe me.

This is not true in regards to the US Tax code. There's a reason the tax preparation industry is so large in this country.


they know for probably 75% of the country, imo what should happen:

they send a bill of the expected amount, and you do your taxes on your end (if you so choose) to make sure its correct. If wrong, you submit your taxes, and move on with life.

for the vast majority of people, you have a w2 or some other accounts that submit stuff to the IRS, and these same people mostly take standard deductions, its a simple computation.

The US likely wont do this, because they potentially miss out on income that honest peopel will report, when it hasn't been reported to them (for example cash tips / gambling winnings under W2G and things like that.


A huge percent of filers have one or two W2s and no house, and that statement is true for them.

The giant tax prep industry can still be there for everyone else.


Americans do schooling wrong, and kids have to worry about getting shot on top of being overworked. I wouldn’t feel incentivized to go to school either.


Yup. From the article:

> Finally, a psychiatrist told Demsky about a condition that affects a growing number of students with severe anxiety: school avoidance.

That's not a "condition" and shouldn't be de facto medicalized. Treat anxiety when it doesn't match reality, sure, but there are plenty of perfectly logical reasons for students to resist school as it currently exists.


School shootings are still insanely rare. When you account for high crime areas the likelihood of an average kid experiencing a school shooting is so low it should make you question anyone trying to make it seem otherwise.


This may be akin to the craze of fear of terrorism that swept the general public after September 11th. I found that craze to be entirely irrational, but it would hardly be appropriate for the same individuals to see their kids as being particularly irrational, if their fear of being shot is real.

As far as I can tell, fear of being shot is not the primary factor why students don't want to go to school. The article, for example, doesn't mention global warming / climate change (our planet burning) or AI (possible humanity ending). How incentivized would you be to spend your youth working hard for a future that might not exist?


But the shooter drills are incredibly common. Just because it doesn't happen often doesn't mean children aren't often being forced to think about it happening.


Not sufficiently rare enough to avoid transforming education in a myriad of ways, from clear backpacks to endless drills to metal detectors at the door to armed people in body armor walking around.

And the idea of having to account for "high crime areas" as if it is a normal thing for a subset of the population to be dealing with guns on a regular basis in schools is a very American attitude.


While outright shootings might be rare, bullying by fellow students and teachers is common. Shootings might just be the straw that breaks the camels back.


> When you account for high crime areas

What does this mean? Kids in high crime areas are still kids, you still have to count them when they get shot.

The harm of a school shooting is certainly not contained to the specific individuals who got shot either, which if one of these has happened near you you know. Everyone at that school and to some extent the entire city is affected socially and psychologically. They are a particularly powerful terrorism for this reason.


"School shooting" is a polysemous phrase. There's the very literal version--a shooting that happens at a school--but also a more specific one that refers to a much rarer situation--a lone kid consciously plans to go in and shoot a lot of people en masse, as a kind of suicide that is intended to leave a permanent presence on a community that the kid viewed as having wronged them in some way. The former is much more relevant for policy making, but in public discourse the latter plays the disproportionate, defining role. OP is frustrated by that vacillation. School shooter drills are almost irrelevant for the modal literal school shooting, but they inflict psychological damage on students and even create the archetype of the statistically rarer type in the public imagination.


> overworked

From what I understand, the Japanese K-12 system makes the US system look like Disneyland.

They do have kids out of high school that are quite good with STEM stuff, but I have heard that bullying is a big problem.

As I am a bit "on the spectrum," my grade school years were absolutely awful. I suspect a lot of folks here can relate, but we have a way of attracting bullies that seems innate. It's crazy.

I did enjoy tech school, though, and have done fairly well in the working world.


Hearing aids are generally calibrated for an individual’s specific frequency loss (usually done by a medical professional). We’re already seeing devices that simply amplify all frequencies, and while I’m no doctor, I can imagine boosting all frequencies for prolonged periods of time could lead to additional hearing loss.


Do the output limits change? If I give it an entire codebase, could it potentially spit out an entire codebase?

I’m wondering if this is a quick way to get to $5 each round trip (send and receive)


How expensive is this to run?


I imagine a lot less than you would expect. That is at least my experience from observing user behaviour.


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