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How great was life for the average Cuban in pre-revolution days? I think if I were a Cuban I would be more than skeptical of undoing all of the positive things that have been accomplished since 1959.



Getting your fingernails torn out by the secret police for criticizing the Castro regime isn't too great.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/07/02/cuba-a...

Economically, $6,000 GDP per capita isn't much to be proud of, compared to the US aligned Puerto Rico which is at $27,000.

https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&...


Puerto Rico isn't "US aligned", it's part of the US. There's a pretty big difference.


Yeah, "aligned" is not the right word. But it's not part of the US either. It's not a state. It's in a weird protectorate gray area.

By historical standards the most accurate appellation would probably be "colony".


Capitalistic economies in the region do much better, so who do you want me to compare to who is "fair?" Brazil, Argentia, Chile?

https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&...

Still 2x Cuba and with usually less fingernail pulling. Communism is a worldwide failure both political, human rights-wise, and economically. Lets stop being "edgy" and defend it for easily garnered anti-US upvotes.


Are we going to ignore the largest carceral state in the world?

We can have a sober criticism of all forms of states and capitalism without insisting on one hand that there are only two possibilities and on the other hand that we must choose one as morally superior.

The imperialist nationalist history of capitalism is more than bloody, blood is what makes the world fertile for capitalism.

I will only briefly mention that leftists have attacked states like the USSR as a form of state capitalism since the days Lenin was still alive. I see little potential in developing this line of thought here.


You don't want to develop that here, that's ok, but It's worth saying that these were not the most common leftist opinions, and the USSR in particular was popular on the left far longer than was prudent, from a modern perspective. (Not saying I wouldn't have made the same mistake as human alive in the 50s)


Totally true. My claim is smaller than I made it seem. I don't like Marxism even though I find some of the analytic tools it provides to be very useful. Even so, I have to give it credit that its largest experiments were very popular with a lot of leftists.


Well, the USSR and other similar states funded a lot of leftist groups (and some still do). It's hard to say what's a "common leftist opinion" when you have to discriminate between people who speak honestly about their opinions, people who only echo the democratic centralist tendency of their party, and people who lie about their true values and goals in order to get resources from nation-states.


Breitbart is bias news.

The dude who died, Breitbart, framed an Obama nominee for secretary of arigculture. He heavily edited a video to make it seems like she was racist.

She ended up suing him.

Just fyi, there are better sources to source.


GDP per capita doesn't mean much when you have food and shelter provided for you. I know most of my income in the bay goes to shelter alone.




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