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But that extra time spent sleeping is time spent not being awake to do things. So the overall number of useful hours is the same either way?



Let's assume you spend 30% of your time sleeping (7.2 hours a day), and your expected lifetime to be T. Then your "useful time" is 0.7T. So you decide to sleep 25% more (9 hours), so you sleep through 37,5% of a day and your life expectancy is now T'=1.25T, so your useful time is 0.625T'=0.625 x 1.25T=0.781T. Your useful time grown around 12%.

Note that if you take your working hours into account and you are only interested in your free time after work, then this free time will hoard up more at the end of your life when you will be retired but you will lose free time before that.


But on the other hand, getting less sleep gives you more time when you're young.


And since your future self is like a totally different person, fuck that guy.


oh, the naivete of the young !


> But that extra time spent sleeping is time spent not being awake to do things. So the overall number of useful hours is the same either way?

Am I the only person that likes sleeping and dreaming? If I were to suddenly find sleep impossible and unnecessary, I would consider that a reduction in my quality of life.


The longer you live, the better become available treatments in the meantime to make your life even longer. ;)


The longer you live in the UK, the greater the chance the NHS will be gone and you won't be able to afford treatment. :-) Coming soon: https://www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/richard-grimes/governme...


But you're in better physical and mental shape to use those hours, so you use them more efficiently :)


> So the overall number of useful hours is the same either way?

No, because dreaming is useful and fun. Even more so if you can cultivate lucid dreaming.


Depends. Are you spending that extra time commuting to work? Maybe putting in extra hours at work?


Also if you sleep well, and live 25% longer, that 25% will be when you're old, senile, and unable to do anything useful.

Studies about sleep are often just crazy. When did people stop using their common sense? Just have as much sleep as you think works for you.


Has every old person you've ever met been old, senile, and unable to do anything useful?

My Grandma walked to the supermarket the morning of the night she passed and was totally lucid for the entirety of her years.


I'm sorry to hear that your grandmother passed. How did her startup take the loss?


Hahaha I don't usually laugh at jokes about Grandma's passing but that got a good chuckle out of me.


> Also if you sleep well, and live 25% longer, that 25% will be when you're old, senile, and unable to do anything useful.

That's assuming you do become senile and unable to do anything useful. Doesn't necessarily have to happen, and that doesn't mean you shouldn't live a good life.

> Studies about sleep are often just crazy. When did people stop using their common sense? Just have as much sleep as you think works for you.

What's considered "common sense" can vary greatly from person to person, and people aren't always aware of how their habits can have long-term negative consequences on them.


Habits like reading every scientific paper and worrying about them?


No, habits like only getting ~4hrs sleep or oversleeping regularly.


Or perhaps the point where you become "old, senile and unable to do anything useful" will also happen later?


> So the overall number of useful hours is the same either way?

Yes but no because your `useful' hours will feel much better.




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