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from spaceweather.com:

UPDATE: Circumstantial evidence is mounting that the phenomenon was caused by a malfunctioning rocket, possibly an ICBM launched from a Russian submarine. A Navtex no-fly alert was issued for the White Sea on Dec. 9th, and photographers appear to have recorded the initial boost phase of a launch below the spiral (see inset). A rocket motor spinning out of control could indeed explain the spiral pattern, so this explanation seems plausible, although it has not yet been confirmed.

http://spaceweather.com/




My thoughts exactly. This looks like a much more photogenic version of what used to happen when I would launch an imbalanced Estes rocket.


From New Scientist, the reason it was such a perfect spiral is because it was a three stage rocket, of which stages 1 & 2 probably went fine, putting it close to the edge of space:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18262-strange-norway-s...


My friend had a great launch failure with one of those. He had a two stage rocket with a payload section, but got the stages backwards. Also, in the payload section, lacking any handy bugs, he put some gravel in (not sure why). So, the thing went up, but because the stages were backwards, it didn't fire the second stage immediately. This gave the rocket time to spin a bit: the gravel held the nose down and the tail flipped up. At that point the second engine kicked in, and the thing shot straight at the ground and smashed to bits. It was pretty cool to watch.


he put some gravel in (not sure why)

The further away the center of mass of a rocket is from center of pressure the more stable the rocket is. Apollo's Launch Escape Vehicle, which was essentially a rocket with the payload below the engine, had a few hundred kilos of depleted uranium ballast placed at the top exactly for this reason—to move CM far enough for the vehicle to be stable.


Interesting, but it wasn't for that reason: those things are designed to be (and mostly are) stable without putting a bunch of weight on one end like that.


Not sure what you mean by "those" things. In LES case the reason was the one I stated for a simple reason: LES did not have gimbaled engines and had to rely on aerodynamics to be stable. Launch Abort System for the new Orion spacecraft will have attitude control motor and thus no need for ballast. See http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/2008001... for more. I will quote just a bit:

Another key difference from the Apollo launch escape system is with regard to control. Apollo utilized a passive system that relied on ~1,000 lbm of ballast to keep the abort vehicle passively stable during the escape rocket burn<…>


> Not sure what you mean by "those" things.

Model rockets, sorry.


Note to self: if I ever choose to test launch an ICBM, don't do it off Norway the day before the US President visits to pick up his Nobel Peace Prize.


Nobel prizes are from Sweden, not Norway. But that is close enough.


Except for the peace prize... couldn't edit in time, damn no procast settings...


What about the blue "beam" or "tube" or whatever you want to call it? You have to admit, it looks pretty symmetrical for a malfunction.


Oh please, this is so obviously a laser beam (the blue light) projecting the patterns on the low cloud layer.


Right, cuz a failed rocket will stay in one spot spinning in a nice neat spiral...


If it's direction of travel is away from the viewer while it is spiraling, then yes it would appear that way to the observer.


Have you ever seen the contrails of rockets that have spiraled out? They're anything but nice and straight.


Totally. It was definitely the 'greys.' Someone was drunk at the controls.




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