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Pretty much. Its not possible to recover from in the near term because the only reason it hasn't been worse is the fact we've been having the FED use every policy tool it could think of.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/buttonwood/2014/11/secular-st...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/imf-fears-gl...




Perhaps its time we admit that growth isn't a requirement to an ever-incrasing quality of life? And investigate the transition to steady state economies?

Who am I kidding, that'll never happen.


But no growth will make inequality much harder to digest. Noone minds inequality as much , as long as he is assured that his lot will improve some day.

Take that away and it's only a matter of time before things boil over.


Well, just saying, but "no growth" hasn't really been working out for Greece lately.


Ahh, forgive me. I had thought it was their crushing debt payments that are impossible to service thats causing their economic hardships.

Greece will be in a much better position as soon as it exits the Euro.


> crushing debt payments

Growth helps a lot with that problem.


... and the problem isn't that Greece has experienced no growth, the problem is that Greece has negative 25% GDP growth since 2008.

http://countryeconomy.com/gdp/greece

Of course the debt-to-GDP ratio went up accordingly.


What industry would you suggest Greece grow its way out of debt with besides possibly tourism?


I'm assuming that Greece has a fair share of intelligent adults capable of being productive.


It's hard to make a case for or against economic growth, when all the economic growth of the past 30 years has been shoveled into the gaping maw of the ruling class.

That said, I don't want a steady-state economy - not in the long term anyway (i.e. thousands of years). We should not exhaust our resources on Earth, of course, and could do a much better job there, but eventually our species should come to harness the power of galaxies, and that will require economic expansion.


An ever increasing quality of life, in the western world, honestly isn't needed. The Quality of Life for the Middle Class in the West is good enough.

The problem is, to bring everyone up to the 2015 standard of the West's middle class requires a helluva alot of growth.


From today:

India’s Economic Growth Hits Four-Year High

http://www.wsj.com/articles/indias-economic-growth-hits-four...

"India’s output growth accelerated to 7.5% last quarter, putting it ahead of China as the world’s fastest-growing large economy."

To be fair, some of the data presented is faked, but it's in the ballpark. It'd be good if India and the developing world were all growing faster, but they're still coming along at a nice clip.



Yeah, but its also the impoverished and "lower class" in the US and the rest of the West.

You need $30-$40k [depending on where you live in the US] per Adult to be middle class.




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