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You are down voted because you dodged the question. The question is a positive, not a normative one: would you believe it if someone claimed blacks were secretly deficient in the way you claim Asians are?

Also, do you have any stats suggesting that the black student with a 520 sat is likely to outperform the Asian with a 780? If I present stats showing that blacks underperforming their sat and Asians over perform, will you favor pro-asian and anti-black discrimination? If not, your reply is a bit dishonest.




Okay, so this concept of 'secret deficiency' is not what I purported, hard to measure does not make something secret. I will explicitly state that Asian applicants, with an admission rate of 4:1 relative to their racial representation in society, will typically start at a higher socio-economic standing relative to blacks (and whites if you want to talk means here).

To give you a positive answer: If blacks were over-represented at Harvard and asians under-represented then I would definitely accept the argument.

Now, as to the concept of 'outperform,' it depends on how 'performance' is defined. I don't care about academic performance as much as I do about long-term social mobility. If you can demonstrate that asians who attend college accomplish even the same amount of social mobility as blacks I would take a difference stance here.

People coming in with ultra-high SAT scores typically wont represent the underprivileged and the underprivileged will typically receive the most benefit (∆-socioeconomically) from the prestigious education out of all applicants.

Can you create a model that admits everyone based solely on GPA and test score while also addressing the challenges faced by the underprivileged? How does social mobility fit into your desire for fairness in admission towards asians? (honestly, not trying to be antagonistic, I'm curious what you think about this because we clearly differ on opinion here but this point is valid)

edit: so that would be 'deficits relative to their established peer group' then.


You originally claimed that "quite possible that there are other deficits" that Asians suffer. Glad we have established that is unlikely.

If I wanted to address the "challenges" of the underprivileged, I'd simply give a preference to those who can demonstrate it. This is not currently politically favored because even highly privileged blacks underperform poor whites and Asians. (I can dig up stats on that if you like.)

No need to use race as a bad proxy when you can actually measure the underlying variable you claim to care about.




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