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Einstein's Letter to Marie Curie (1911) (princeton.edu)
174 points by anacleto on April 18, 2015 | hide | past | favorite | 30 comments



Amazing woman -

* Born in obscurity in Poland, she didn't have money for studies. Her sister and her made a pact where one worked as a governess so the other could study. She eventually made it to the University of Paris, at a time when Oxford and Cambridge were closed to women.

* She won TWO Nobel prizes!

* She poisoned herself by exposing herself to x-rays (unwittingly) in mobile x-ray units for the French Army in WW1

* Her affair with the married Langevin drove his jealous wife to steal their incriminating letters, which she then released to the press. It was an amazing scandal, which is what Einstien is referring to here. She was denounced as a Polish foreigner.

There was an amazing documentary on Nova (I believe) but can't seem to find it online.

[Edit] - found it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do41AJwIjZE


Very inspiring documentary. Thank you for sharing.


This article provides a little more context as to what was going on at the time:

http://www.aip.org/history/curie/scandal1.htm

Pierre Curie died in 1906 and she became romantically involved with Paul Langevin, a former student of Pierre, in 1910. At the time it was considered gauche for a widow of her age (she was 38 at the time of Pierre's death) to remarry. But what really ignited the ire of the press was mostly the fact that Langevin was already married, though estranged from his wife.


Interesting. Some context about the matter: http://www.iflscience.com/physics/albert-einstein-told-marie...


Sigh, another website with a custom hacked document viewer that doesn't work on today's very popular small screens. So much effort poured into building systems that work worse then the platform default.


Brief letter of personal support following Curie's remarriage scandal.

And then comes the P.S.:

  I have determined the statistical law of motion of the
  diatomic molecule in Planck's radiation field [...]
Priceless :-)


You forgot the best part! "...by means of a comical witticism"


The German original (linked there) says "durch einen lustigen Witz", which I would have understood as 'by means of a funny joke'.

It's a pretty amusing way for Einstein to describe his derivation, anyway.


I didn't realize this was a translation! (Marie Curie was French/Polish, I could see Einstein writing to her in English.)

I thought it was just Einstein writing extremely strained English. If the original reads fluidly, then the translation...could use improvement. It's comically strained.


I don't know what languages Curie spoke, but there would have been a strong incentive for European scientists in the 19th and 20th centuries to learn to read German. That would have opened up access to a huge amount of technical literature that was being published in German.

My father said that when he was a kid in the 1960s, there was still a sense in the U.S. that it would be useful to learn some German if you planned to go into fields like math or physics.

But I wonder how European scientists at the time of this letter chose what language to use in their personal correspondence.


The reason for that letter is that Marie Curie's husband died and she quickly married his husband's assistant. She was heavily criticized for that.


According to http://www.iflscience.com/physics/albert-einstein-told-marie...: "A few years later, she became romantically involved with physicist Paul Langevin, who had been a doctoral student of Pierre’s."

That doesn't qualify as "quickly married his husband's assistant" at all, and they were never even married.


Apparently the affair was too quick for the tastes of that time, anyway.


Nobody would care today. But then, it was a huge scandal.


Langevin was ;)


On top of that, why blame her?


What is the comical witticism referred to in the post script?


The footnote to the German original says that the derivation is described in more detail in this letter to Lorentz:

http://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol5-trans/249

(It's the section beginning "I have little that is new to report in physics".)


It really bothers me that people living in 1911 (and even before that) understand more about the physics than I do.

Gosh, I am dummy.


Do you spend time actively studying Physics, or do you just expect to be gifted with this knowledge?


But you could expect from your high school education that it teaches you scientific facts established over 100 years ago.

At least that's how I interpret Vinhboy's comment.


yup.


Why? Huge amounts of knowledge areost whenever someone dies. This is always going to hold back human progress.


In some ways, that is true. But I'd argue the main reason things like nationalism, racism, and other bigotry dies away is because those who support those ideas can't pass them on before they die.

So it's not all bad.


To quote Max Planck:

A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.


gotta love the PS.


Summing up: Haters gonna hate.


@MarieCurie You go gurl


@Einstein This new element, so hot right now


What!? This correspondence doesn't correspond at all to their love affair as depicted in the film Young Einstein.




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