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They are collapsing right now or already collapsed. I am right now trying to reconcile the need for direct action and the chaos it would cause for a lot of innocent people, including death and suffering, which seems inevitable as they will experience that if nothing is done.



Before you take any "direct action", you may want to consider that whereas any attempt to predict the motion in any form of a world-sized chaotic system is exceedingly tricky and any prediction based on, well, anything is rather suspect and subject to change without notice, the concrete and immediate impacts of "direct action" are quite undeniable.

You're far better off using normal advocacy to try to change people's minds than anything else. If that seems like it's slow and taking time, well, first of all, world-sized chaotic system, remember? They do not generally turn on a dime (and even though they "can", it is still a rare event, and uncontrollable when it happens). But second of all, look back over the past 50 years and consider what motion there has been. There's been a lot. It is well known we are prone to overestimate the short-term impact of things, and underestimate the long-term impact. People have changed, people will change, and as the entire system evolves it's a perfectly viable outcome that, yes, things get worse for a while but people actually respond to that and make things better. This theory is bolstered by the fact that you can look back over the past 50 years and see concrete examples of this happening.

As much as some people would love to tell you otherwise, no, massive chaos and death as a result of ecosystem "collapse" (itself a rather deceptive term, there is no such atomic event) are not inevitable, and making decisions based on that assumption carry the grave risk of being totally wrong.


As I replied to the other respondent, I myself am not planning anything, so please keep your calls to the FBI to a minimum.

I'm talking about direct action in the face of intractable individuals who deny climate change or any sort of anthropomorphic effect.

Now, am I also alluding to the fact that there are elements among humanity that will look at this news and take actions against the industrial infrastructure enabling anthropomorphic global warming. Just like I predicted that people would start shooting cops for being cops a few months ago, this is what I do: suss out the threads of the future in the present.

Humans are so scared of ideas that they automatically conflate "idea" with "action."


> take actions against the industrial infrastructure enabling anthropomorphic global warming. Just like I predicted that people would start shooting cops for being cops a few months ago, this is what I do: suss out the threads of the future in the present.

That statement alone is enough to discount you completely.


I am right now trying to reconcile the need for direct action and the chaos it would cause for a lot of innocent people, including death and suffering,

Did you just threaten terrorist action?


How did you read a threat in my statement?

Direct action also involves political change, for instance prohibiting or limiting carbon extraction.

So don't piss your pants just yet.




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