On: The Fall of Hacker Groups

[lawnchair_larry]

Really, CDC and l0pht had nothing in common? TESO had nothing to do with CCC? No MOD members ended up at X-Force with TESO members? I can draw many lines across all of those groups.

[mitchell_h → lawnchair_larry]

anyone that spent anytime on IRC could tell you all the groups all talked to each other and spent significant amounts of time in various IRC chans with each other.

They might have ./smurf.c'd each other constantly but they all pretty much came out of the same environment.

[tptacek → lawnchair_larry]

I know more about cDc and L0pht than TESO and CCC. Maybe you can correct me on the TESO/CCC thing.

How seriously do you take cDc and the L0pht? We should probably make sure we're not talking past each other before we try to debate.

[dpeck → lawnchair_larry]

You could probably connect nearly every group through the early 2000s with X-Force as the join.

[tptacek → dpeck]

You'd miss a good chunk of w00w00/guild, OpenBSD, and Europe that way.

[dpeck → tptacek]

a quick search shows w00w00 would be connected. Not sure of the others, but I (and I'm sure you do too) know of at least MoD, TESO, ADM folks who came through there.

Not saying all groups by any means, but even with being a few years late getting started in the infosec world of Atlanta there were still a lot of old guard hackers hanging around when I got out of school and people still felt comfortable sharing stories from time to time.