On: Vim After 11 Years (2013)

[tuhdo]

This is just wrong. Eclipse is an IDE to some languages that it supports, but an average editor to everything else. Have you tried editing configuration files, shell scripts or patch files in it. Eclipse or similar things are terrible when you work in multi-language environment. And look at my other answer that has many demos to see many things your IDE has not yet satisfied me.

[brandonmenc → tuhdo]

I use JetBrains products, so I can't speak to Eclipse.

I edit shell scripts, config files, and a host of other non-.rb files all the time in RubyMine, for example. Many of the features, particularly the code navigation, that you demo on your site are available in JetBrains IDEs.

(ps: your demos are awesome - great resource.)

It looks like you do a lot of C/C++ systems programming. That's one area where I would recommend trying emacs or vi before an IDE. The language and editors have grown together over 30+ years. That's not the case for things like Rails and Java.

[tuhdo → brandonmenc]

> I edit shell scripts, config files, and a host of other non-.rb files all the time in RubyMine, for example. Many of the features, particularly the code navigation, that you demo on your site are available in JetBrains IDEs.

Is it available for shell scripts? When I write shell scripts in Emacs, press TAB and it shows me a list of available shell commands in my editing file. You can also jump around function/variable definitions in your shell scripts.

> (ps: your demos are awesome - great resource.)

Thanks :)

> That's one area where I would recommend trying emacs or vi before an IDE

Well, Emacs is also an IDE of its own language, Emacs Lisp. You have code navigation/completion, functional debugger, profiler and byte compiler all it one. Emacs is not merely an editor, it's an environment for people write programs to run in it. That's why you see IDE features in the demos I posted there. And those demos shows that Emacs also evolves itself over 30 years.

And for dynamic language, Cider for Clojure https://github.com/clojure-emacs/cider can compete with any Clojure IDE. In fact, I don't see anything better.

[brandonmenc → tuhdo]

> Is it available for shell scripts?

Tab complete and jump to definitions are available in shell scripts.

> Well, Emacs is also an IDE of its own language, Emacs Lisp.

IntelliJ is too :) although I will say that I'd rather write editor extensions in Lisp over Java.

I also used to think only emacs had this stuff but since switching to JetBrains IDEs a couple years ago, I've been pleasantly surprised.