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Bicycle helmets do almost nothing to prevent concussions (bicycling.com)
82 points by acsillag on Oct 11, 2014 | hide | past | favorite | 90 comments



Sounds like many of the commenters here did not actually read the article. It's not about "should you wear a helmet or shouldn't you."

It is very strongly pro-helmet. NOWHERE in the article does it suggest you should not wear a helmet.

It's about how to make helmets work better, specifically against concussions. Summary: pay more to get a helmet equipped with something called MIPS.

"The new rotation-­dampening systems may not be perfect, but they are the biggest step forward in decades. The choices cyclists make with their money matter. You can pretend to protect your brain, or you can spend more money and get closer to actually doing it."


The takeaway message seems to be that there's another safe helmet technology that exists. Regular helmets help but MIPS[1] helmets maintain protection against brute-force impacts and improve protection against concussions and brain injuries.

This MIPS style helmet is a large step forward in helmets. The standard helmet test is a just a straight drop from 6 feet with the helmet perfectly vertical. This is not how crashes happen.

Crashes happen while moving. There's some rotational stuff going on there, and that's what MIPS tries to focus on. Their tests[2] focus on this. An aspect of brain injury is diffuse axonal injury or when your brain undergoes unreasonable acceleration. The MIPS helmet has two shells so the outer one moves while your brain doesn't.

> President Barack Obama said that if he had a son, he might not let him play football; even some former NFL athletes agree.

This was refreshing to hear. Malcolm Gladwell compares football to dogfighting because football players can experience remarkable head trauma[3]. For me, a severe traumatic brain injury survivor, it's hard to see someone willingly put themselves through a brain injury and even harder to see the public glorifying a sport I see as dogfighting.

[1]:http://www.mipshelmet.com/home/

[2]:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8W5X0s2AhU @ 0:29

[3]:http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/10/19/offensive-play


Another case of a link bait headline undermining the article.

And possibly submarine PR for a patent holder.


As a space for cycling campaigner ( http://www.cyclebath.org.uk ) helmet articles are an interesting problem that tend to identify cycling as a dangerous activity without extolling the health benefits of cycling itself.

In places like New York, where their Citi Bike scheme has had huge success without helmets (23 million miles of riding, no deaths), utility cycling (commuting) has been made safe through a huge investment in the segregation of cycles from cars and pedestrians. The health benefits to the city are huge (as well as reducing congestion) and you get people of all ages cycling now.

In Australia where helmets are a legal requirement, city cycle schemes are failing, but this may also be to do with a lack in building out segregated cycle infrastructure as part of these schemes. It is still a mainly hardcore, male activity there.

The point is, helmets and cycling create flame wars with anecdotal evidence in favour "how it saved my life" and the response being that the health benefits to society of cycling far out weigh the risks of not wearing one (i.e. It's calculated in the UK, that a helmet law would kill 235 people per year more through obesity related deaths).

When I trundle to the shops or pop into town I wear a cap (being bald brings it's own problems), but should I go out on a club ride or go off-roading I wear a helmet as the risk of falling off is higher. I also wear one when I'm out after dark.

Wear one if you want, don't wear one. Just make sure you are out there riding. The health risks far outweigh the perceived risk of falling off your bike.

The real problem isn't helmets, it's the lack of segregating cycles from pedestrians and motorised vehicles. Making people feel safe cycling to and from shops, homes, schools and their place of work.


> The point is, helmets and cycling create flame wars

The point is, you are very much involved in creating flame wars by labelling the pro side as people who only have their superstitial, anecdotal fairy tales, while saying the contra side has all the cold, hard scientific facts.

Let's just leave it at that.


There is also another benefit of a helmet, it changes how people treat you. They apparently respect cyclists more when they wear a helmet.

I was in a collision a two months ago. The driver hit me on purpose, because I had call him a wanker, he became self defining in this, by swiping me with the rear of his car, thankfully the relative speed difference would have been at most 10mph, so I only had minor injury (three fractures).

The police, who have a job to collect evidence, were not remotely accepting that I was not doing anything wrong. My arm was injured, my head obviously not, so before the ambulance arrived someone had helped me remove it, and clip it to the holder on my bag. Immediately the police were questioning me, asking why I wasn't wearing my helmet when the accident happened.

My head never came close to hitting the ground during the impact.

The fact is that people are very judgemental. Cyclists who wear helmets tend not to be the ones who cycle straight through junctions at red lights whilst smoking a spliff such as the space cadet I saw this Monday the 6th, 9:30am, Highgate.

It was interesting, that despite the obvious location of the collision, A lane that the car should not have been in, the Police were been told off by the paramedics for been hard on me, taking me off gas+air (mild anesthetic) so I could be breathalised for signs of alcohol consumption would be one good example of how I feal they acted poorly. Only after they found my pilots license did the police start to treat me with any dignity or respect, it was frankly shameful, as the other party had already admitted he used his car to injure me to a witness. Best of all, the driver isn't even been charged with assault.


There are studies suggesting that drivers give wider berth to the un-helmeted: http://www.helmets.org/walkerstudy.htm


It's just an observation of fact. Facts are known to be biased. If there are studies that show the benefits of bicycle helmet wearing, I'd be interested in seeing them.


"[A]n emphasis on helmets reflects a seductively individualistic approach to risk management (or even “victim blaming”) while the real gains lie elsewhere."

http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f3817?ijkey=I5vHBog6FhaaL...


In Australia there are places ideal for cycling schemes. Neighbourhoods and smaller cities, especially if universities contribute significantly to the population are decent cycling areas. Even big cities like Melbourne have some great bike routes going mostly through green belts. You can get from the 10-20km radius of the centre to ~2-5 from the centre ("inner suburbs like Richmond or Brunswick or Fitzroy, in Melbourne parlance where many people work fairly safely and pleasantly very often.

Many Ozzies cycle recreationally.

Helmet laws are definitely a major impediment to cycling as transport. Distances, and infrastructure issues are an impediment too. It's not Amsterdam where most journeys are <5km on flat roads on cycle lanes, but it could work for more people than it does work for.


I live in the Melbourne CBD and have used the city cycle scheme. The problem isn't the scheme. It's the fact that it is downright suicidal to ride in many parts of the city. The cycling infrastructure e.g. dedicated lanes are inadequate, there are blind spots all over the place and car drivers are not taught from day one how to check for cyclists moving around them. I know people who have been crippled from cycling.

And you are being pretty ridiculous by mentioning the health benefits. Cycling without adequate infrastructure is dangerous. Much more dangerous than a bit of a cardio. It is far better for people's health to educate them to stand up and take a walk a few times a day.

Fix the infrastructure first. Then start encouraging the family to ride to work or school.


> Making people feel safe cycling to and from shops, homes, schools and their place of work.

The real issue is actually making cyclist safer, not making them feel safer. Even segregated paths are not a solution if they have to cross traffic.

I am not sure how to solve this problem short of pushing oil up to a $1000 a barrel - even then I suspect a lot of drivers would rather give up eating rather than give up their car.


I have seen dedicated cycling lanes being completely unused.

Why ? Because if they are improperly designed like say their design doesn't match up with roundabouts or crossings etc then it is actually more dangerous to use them. Likewise often the cycle lanes have drains which can catch tyres.


> i.e. It's calculated in the UK, that a helmet law would kill 235 people per year more through obesity related deaths

Calculated by whom? Do you have any more information on how the calculator arrived at this figure? To me 235 seems a lot more precise than I would have expected.


Obviously it is a ratio of various factors, and the error bars are not reported. Would you rather see "200"?


No. I would like to see the error bars. 235 ± 30 is very different than 235 ± 300. Not including this information or at the very least how this figure was arrived at is dishonest. It's also a pretty clear indication that the person presenting the figure is more interested in promoting a specific agenda that in providing useful information.


And aside from the health benefits, it's also better for both the environment and your wallet (and it's fun).


Discussions of cycle helmets are usually very one sided, focusing on head trauma and completely ignoring other kinds of trauma as well as the positive health effects of cycling.

Wearing the helmet doesn't just add a certain amount of padding to the head without any negative side effects: For example, motorists keep less distance while overtaking you [1] and making helmets mandatory reduces cycling by up to a third [2].

I would really hope that people would look at advocating helmets as a public health intervention, and judge all its effects together.

[1] http://www.bath.ac.uk/news/articles/releases/overtaking11090... [2] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1410838/?tool=pu...


Regarding the reduction is cycling: the share of cycling as a transport mechanism fell by almost the same amount in a number of jurisdictions with no mandatory helmet laws over the same time period[1]. People in the transport strategy field generally seem to think the cause of this change was more dual-car families.

However, I used to be strongly in favour of mandatory helmet laws. Now I tend to think they need to be more targeted and used as a blend of changes. I think riding on footpaths should be allowed (with a strict speed limit) without helmets, as well as on separated bikepaths, again with a speed limit. On roads they should be mandatory.

[1] http://i.imgur.com/qPGUfAK.png


an effective mandatory helmet law, from a national health perspective, would be to force those who drive a car to work to wear a bicycle helmet ...all day long.


The idea being that a) cyclists should fuck off, b) pedestrians deserve no space or protection and c) the burden of mitigating danger needs to be placed on those most vulnerable to it, not those introducing it in the first place (cars).

This is thinking from the 1950s. All of these things have failed dramatically.


I'm unsure if your response is to my ideas around helmet laws or something else? For context, I'm from Australia, where helmets are mandatory for all bike riders. Making them non-mandatory is a change that some think will increase cycling uptake.

Anyway, if it was to me, then

a) I'm a cyclist (over 6000km and 115,000 vertical meters this year. That's further than I drove).

b) Of course pedestrians deserve space. I'd prefer to change the laws to allow non-helmeted riding on separated bike paths only, but that would be useless as where I live most separated bike paths don't link up which means people must either ride on the road or (illegally) on the footpath to get between them. In a world where not everywhere is Copenhagen or Amsterdam I'd prefer to see children ride to school with their parents on footpaths than not ride. I'd prefer to see people who worry about helmet hair ride to work on footpaths and separated bike paths than not ride. Where I live both these things are currently illegal.

c) Yes. Riding on roads needs to be made safe. That does not preclude encouraging more diverse transport choices by making other changes too.

I find too many cycling advocates come from entrenched pro or anti-helmet positions and aren't prepared to look for compromises. That isn't helpful overall.


I would say the reduction in cycling is a pretty significant effect. I love cycling, but I am far too scared (or wise) to ever consider riding on a street shared with cars and trucks. In the end if anything goes wrong the driver will feel sad and I won't feel anything.


I've been cycling in traffic for almost 3 years in a country with no bike lanes and pretty bad motorist behavior regarding cyclists. It was scary the first month, but then you get used to it and you learn a couple of rules that reduce your chances of getting into an accident significantly [1]

Learning these rules really makes all the difference. Would you prefer to get into an accident and not get killed (thanks to a helmet), or to significantly reduce your chances of getting into an accidents altogether?

A note on gear: get all the lights (front, back, laser lane) and reflectors (for individual spokes and tires too) that you can, set them up to blink, and use a bell and a mirror

[1]: http://bicyclesafe.com/


Please keep the blinking reasonable and non-distracting. A lot of cyclists where I am have what amount to high-powered strobe lights aimed at car-driver's faces. I've also been the victim of this while riding my bike down canal paths at night. It's no fun being completely blinded while a fellow cyclist zooms past.


I'd be so annoyed by the helmet, it messes up my hair, makes my head sweaty, I have to put it somewhere or keep it with me the whole time. It would really make me bike less. Then again I hardly ever have to share the street with cars and trucks and if I do it is with a lot of other bikers. This is not at all uncommon during rush hour: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-AbPav5E5M


It is so great that video looks completely normal to me. Dutch cities and towns are full of bikes. It's the best way of transportation. Clean and healthy. I have no car, just a bike and I always take public transport or bike. Sometimes I'll rent a car. Rain and wind are rarely an issue. I can recommend anyone to aim to live in place where biking is safe and easy. It adds daily fun to your life.


> In the end if anything goes wrong the driver will feel sad and I won't feel anything.

This is pure hyperbole. As someone who has been hit by 6 cars, most accidents are minor. Sure you will end up worse off, but only a couple have I not been able to ride away from, and that was because my wheel was damaged.

Of course, I started to wear a helmet after about the 3rd time.


It is not really hyperbole when it come to the consequence of a serious accident. Hundreds of cyclists are killed every year by cars and trucks, but I am yet to hear of even one driver killed by a cyclist - this would be a man bites dog type story.

You are far less worried about risk than me - if I had been hit 6 times by cars while on a bike I would not even be able to look at a bike without feeling ill let alone ride one.


Sure, what you say is true, but most accidents between cars and bikes are minor accidents. They do not result in death.


I have an anecdotal evidence to support the [1]: when wearing a green neon west on a motorbike, drivers stop respecting my right of way in Berlin. Probably classifying me as a novice rider (here the driving school students always wear one).


These things are mentioned in TFA. You didn't read it.


Thanks for pointing that out, I upvoted you.


As an avid, but fairly aggressive cyclist, I have gotten into a fair number of accidents. Some of the injuries sustained, and the ways in which other injuries would have been likely without a helmet in those situations, have convinced me that many of these studies don't take into account some very common situations in accidents. Direct head impacts are relatively uncommon, due to natural instincts to protect oneself. More common are:

- Side impact from vehicles turning across the bicycle lane. This is the most common cause of fatalities in road accidents in London, and if the vehicle is going at speed, nothing can be done with or without a helmet. Usually, however, the vehicle is slowing to turn, or just clips the rider who hasn't had time to react. When this happened to me, I banged into the side of the van which was cutting me off, and my helmet kept my head from hitting the vehicle, likely right at the temple, which could have caused significant damage.

- Unintended dismount. I find a huge number of "accidents" are really accidents that were just barely prevented by a quick manoeuver, which often leaves the cyclist on the ground. I have avoided collisions quite frequently, but still ended up doing a little barrel roll off the bike. In these cases, I may not be moving fast, but it is nice knowing my helmet will keep me from a kerb to the head.

-Scrapes and abrasions. This is the most painful injury, and one of my most gruesome accidents involved a nasty abrasion on my face - had I not been wearing a helmet, it would have probably meant about half of my scalp was rubbed off as well, so very happy to have been wearing a helmet in that instance.

The "crash test dummy" proof that we don't need helmets doesn't stack up in my experience because I think a confident cyclist is more likely to have oblique and "minor" accidents rather than major direct collisions, and major head trauma is just not going to be prevented by a $40 piece of foam and plastic.


I am surprised people are so flippant about injuries to the head. How many times do we hear stories of people dying from being punched and hitting their head on the curb/ground ? Or the long term effects of concussion.

Helmets work. Governments around the world wouldn't be making them mandatory just to screw with people.


I don't know about your general claim. CFLs are highly toxic under non-ideal real-world handling conditions, and governments love mandating those.


Helmets still protect against skull fractures, and I'll take that while I can.


Yes but they should have opened with this paragraph buried in the article:

The $40 helmet is one of the great success stories of the past half-­century. Like seat belts, air bags, and smoke detectors, bike helmets save countless lives every year. They do a stellar job of preventing catastrophic skull fractures, plus dings and scrapes from low-hanging tree branches and other common nuisances.


Is there a solid citation as to how effective bicycle helmets are at preventing catastrophic skull fractures?

Also, surely it depends on which type of helmet we are talking about? Talking about "helmets" in general does not make much sense when there are so many of them adhering to several different standards.


Helmets are a red herring in the whole cycling discussion. Unless you're racing or mountain biking, you shouldn't need a helmet for regular cycling anymore than you should need a helmet for crossing the street on foot.

There's nothing inherently particularly unsafe about cycling (at least no more unsafe than many everyday activities), even while sharing the road with cars.

The only thing that makes cycling unsafe in certain countries are the drivers, and the culture that puts cars above other traffic to the point where it's apparently okay to run over the odd annoying cyclist.


I don't think that's healthy point of view. Helmet has saved my skull once and a close relative of mine had an accident that would save him lots of pain had he wore a helmet (he hit a curb with his head when falling down).

Comparing cycling with walking on foot is, well, unusual to me to say the least. Of course, you can fall down walking as well, but as a cyclist, you are faster and you are sharing the road with other bigger/heavier vehicles. I would not dream of going on a bike to cycle in and around my town (somewhat hilly terrain, relatively narrow roads) without a helmet.


Agreed. When cyclists come into contact with vehicles there are a bunch of other major traumas besides the head. Rapidly rotated bodies can have their aortas ripped apart. Spleens are burts. Spines are snapped.

And yet, the actual level of cycling deaths is comparable to pedestrians. It's quite low.

The way to solve these problems is to reduce the abuse of motorised transport.


Consider that your brain is an egg yolk floating in a shell. A concussion is the rapid loss of velocity slamming the yolk into the inside of the shell, scrambling it up if you will. A helmet can't do much there except minimize the velocity a tad bit.

The benefit of the helmet is prevent a crack in the shell, your skull, so your brains don't spill out onto the pavement in a crash. It's not perfect, but given your are traveling at high rates of speed on a hard surface, the insurance is your brain mostly intact inside the shell versus a scrambled mess on the ground.

Preventing concussions - the yolk from slamming into the inside of the shell - is a hard problem. The brain is floating in liquid - the cerebrospinal fluid. To take another example, drop a ping pong ball into a glass of water. Now try to move fast without the ball hitting the side of the glass. The amount of padding on the outside of the glass won't do much to prevent the ball from hitting the inside of the glass.

It's not just crashes you need to worry about. Even roller coasters cause concussions, albeit small ones, but still with cognitive decrements.


Last night I fell. I use a motorcycle helmet. I think I was sliding on the ground for about 4 or 5 meters.

The helmet did not touch the ground, but if it had, it would have prevent countless scrapes in my face or scalp. Not deadly fractures, but something painful and probably disfiguring.

My point is: a proper helmet (think BMX) prevents a lot more than fractures.

The gloves surely had a lot of work to do as well, and saved my left hand from any scratches.


Yep. Its worth noting that (american) football helmets are the same. They dont provide shake protection just prevent skull fractures.


The article's title is "Senseless". HN's title, I believe, is bound to distort one's impression of helmets' usefulness.


Exactly. The mods should intervene re the title. And the first sentences of the article are also much more precise:

"Bicycle helmets do an outstanding job of keeping our skulls intact in a major crash. But they do almost nothing to prevent concussions and other significant brain injuries."

The major message of the article is that the standards ignore the topic.

"The government standard for bike helmets will in all likelihood­ never change. "With the CPSC, those standards are carved into stone," David Thom told me. "It may take an act of Congress to revise them.""

But luckily:

"In the late 1990s a Swedish neurosurgeon named Hans Von Holst grew weary of seeing helmet-wearing patients who'd suffered brain injuries in bicycle and equestrian accidents. In most cases, the damage had been caused by rotational acceleration. Working with Peter Halldin, a mechanical engineer at Stockholm's Royal Institute of Technology (...)" they discovered something new:

"Studies have shown that most bike falls result in an impact angle between 30 and 45 degrees. The Swedish team invented a test rig that examined drops at those more realistic angles.

By 2008, after years of sketching, testing, and prototyping, they had a working ­model. Their MIPS (Multi-directional Impact ­Protection System) helmet contained a ­low-friction slip plate between the head and EPS liner. On impact, the helmet rotates independent of the MIPS liner, absorbing some rotational acceleration."


Yes, an early quote from the article:

  The $40 helmet is one of the great success stories of the 
  past half-­century. Like seat belts, air bags, and smoke 
  detectors, bike helmets save countless lives every year. 
  They do a stellar job of preventing catastrophic skull 
  fractures, plus dings and scrapes from low-hanging tree 
  branches and other common nuisances.
Helmets are good. The author is wondering why they aren't better at preventing concussions.


New paper helmets help prevent concussions because they have a crumple zone that make the deceleration more gradual.

"If you crash at 15 miles per hour in a normal helmet, your head will be subjected to around 220G [G-force], whereas the new design absorbs more of the impact and means you experience around 70G instead," says Surabhi.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25681895


I'll take a scientific study over a blog post, please.

Or to be less glib, the statistics he quotes seems very open for interpretation. "Stat #3: As more people buckled on helmets, brain injuries also increased". Need I say it? I think we're all pretty post hoc ergo propter hoc'd out at this point


Stat #3 might derive from the fact that a person is more likely to survive a crash with a helmet on. If someone dies because they aren't wearing a helmet it will be reported as a death, but if they almost die and the helmet prevents death but they receive some brain damage then it will be reported as a brain injury.


A differing opinion about MIPS helmets from the "helmet advocacy program of the Washington Area Bicyclist Association" (consumer-founded): http://www.helmets.org/mips.htm


Thanks, it is interesting that the need for MIPS may come from all the aero-styling in helmets.


This is one reason I wear an airbag bicycle helment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hövding)

It would be have been nice if the article mentioned this option.


You just need to be sure to keep its battery charged, turn it on before you go and accept to buy a new one once it fires.


The battery is supposed to last 18 hours when the device is on, and 36 days when off. It charges quickly over USB. After I zip it up, I do have to remember to fasten a button to turn it on. It would be nice if it alerted me with a periodic beep or something when it was zipped up but not buttoned.

Bicycle helmets in general are not supposed to be re-used after a crash; a Hovding is no exception.


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What does it matter if it's not in the shop? They're certified as helmets in the EU. I ordered mine from amazon.co.uk.

As for children, it's true that http://www.hovding.com/#/faq/ says: Can children wear Hövding? No. Hövding has a lower age limit of 15.

But in reality, what does age have to do with the effectiveness of an airbag? The values read by its sensors depend not on the rider's age, but on the rider's mass, speed, and acceleration signatures in a crash. Some children are bigger and heavier than some adults, so this age limit makes no sense. I think it's just something their lawyers made them put there for liability reasons.


Is it comfortable ? Doesn't it cause itch on the neck or make you sweat ?


Overall, I find the Hovding more comfortable than a regular helmet. The main downside is that my neck gets a bit hot when I wear it. I guess this is because the Hovding prevents the usual cooling airflow to the neck, and the black color makes it more effective at absorbing heat from the sun.


I wear a car. Much safer.


Safer for you perhaps (in "not getting run over" terms, not in "dying of obesity" terms).

But certainly not safer for any pedestrians or cyclists on the road.


No doubt the parent point was about personal safety as well. After all the device only protects the rider.


A related helmet controversy:

http://jalopnik.com/5582380/how-the-truth-about-motorcycle-h...

"Ford has long been controversial with major helmet makers, authoring 'Blowing the Lid Off,' the seminal expose of the flawed Snell M2005 helmet safety standard. In it, he proved through objective scientific testing that helmets made to that standard transmitted more forces to riders' heads than some less expensive helmets made to the DOT standard. Ford's article turned conventional wisdom on its head, proving that certain less-expensive DOT helmets were, according to his testing, capable of transmitting lower forces to a rider's head than the typically more expensive Snell M2005 brain buckets."

The original article: http://web.archive.org/web/20070305231245/http://www.motorcy...


Of course they do. They discourage people riding bicycles and thus help people avoid concussion.

More seriously the people who ride bicycles on streets with cars are much braver than me. I have been lucky in life and seen few examples of serious accidents, but of those I have experienced first hand around 25% have involved people who were riding bicycles.


Even if those societal effects were true (there are studies for both sides, and especially the helmet opponents are usually very outspoken and even rude, to the point that they lose credibility), the important thing for me as an individual is not whether helmets lead other people ("the society") to cycle less, but what the effect is on me.

Personally I feel some chilling effect (sometimes I cycle without helmet, so some friction is certainly there). But it's not very strong.

On the other hand, I have never consciously experienced a difference in car driver's behaviour whether I wear a helmet or not.

And I certainly am not cycling in any riskier way when I'm wearing my helmet. If you do, you should really think about what you're doing.


>especially the helmet opponents are usually very outspoken and even rude, to the point that they lose credibility

They have to be, because they don't have budgets and per diems. The pro-helmet side makes a fortune from selling helmets. The anti-helmet side runs on passion - whether that passion is for the truth as they see it (or as experiment and study have shown), or simply 'government out of my cornflakes' libertarian rage.


The "pro helmet side" in Internet forums does not have "budgets".


The pro-helmet side in general has far louder bullhorns, regardless of what goes on in internet forums (which is one of the no-budget places you see anti-helmet people.) The anti-helmet people aren't passing laws and running public service messages on TV with their partially publicly-funded nonprofits.


Being from Australia I can't fathom not wearing a helmet. Its like wearing a seat belt in the car, just something you don't notice doing anymore.

Anyone who is discouraged from cycling due to having to wear a helmet would more than likely also be discouraged by many other reasons - bad drivers, bad weather, flat tire, etc.


I don't wear a helmet and I ride in downtown Toronto. Helmets save lives, but they also make motorist treat you differently. Also, they don't really save that many lives. Cycling without a helmet is safer than walking (kilometer for kilometer) and safer than being in the passenger seat while a new driver is driving.


> but [helmets] also make motorist treat you differently.

The biggest threats from cars in my experience is when the driver doesn't know you are there.


Not only yours, in my too. That's why I always try to make eye contact with drivers, and when that doesn't work yelling always does the trick. Another thing that improved my safety was installing lights on my road bikes.


Except for BMX helmets.

They look sturdy. Lots of people ride with them in Bogotá. I use a motorcycle helmet as it helps a lot against the usual rains.

No silly social issues against helmets. Everyone minds their own business here.


The thing is I wouldn't be alive without bicycle helmet. Same goes to my aunt. So what if I get concussions if the alternative is loosing consciousness and getting driven over by a car.


With massive deceleration at the core of the problem I don't see how anything more than incremental improvements in mitigation can be achieved with a sufficiently thin helmet..


The army faces the problem of massive deceleration and new solutions for tank armor are being thought up constantly. Those solutions are also required to be sufficiently light and thin (while stopping the much more massive deceleration of rockets and bullets).


Yes, but the army is using directional explosives to solve that issue. I'm not sure that would work for a cyclist.


So a cyclist crashing their head into a tank would not suffer a concussion?


That's okay,they do decent job of keeping your brains inside your skull in an accident, that's nothing to sneeze at.


Snively estimated that a naked head struck the surface with a force more than 1,000 times greater than gravity, or 1,000g, which is lethal.

I assume it meant "the acceleration of a naked head upon hitting the surface is estimated as 1000g", as I can't make sense of it otherwise. It would also help to say what height he dropped it from or the impact speed.


Besides being useless, there are also some negative side-effects: helmet limits field of vision significantly and distracts from perceiving audio- and visual- information properly. I feel blindfolded in a helmet, even in a very light one.


I'm not sure I understand. Exactly what part of the world does your helmet block you from seeing? I can't see mine at all when it's on properly.

Considering that a lot of people use in-ear headphones or casually check their texts while biking in Copenhagen, the added distractions of a helmet still seems like a net win.


Helmet reduces the side vision to something that feels like 20% less then normal. And yes, I cannot also tolerate any hats, hoods and such.

As for the potential Darwin prize winners with earplugs - this is something that should be a matter of legislation first, not the stupid useless helmets.


Are you talking about motorcycle helmets?


No, I'm talking about bicycle helmets, including the lightest ones. I feel deaf and blind in any helmet - or even in a hat.


I perceive that I am much less likely to turn my head (to check the traffic behind me) when I'm wearing a helmet. It's perceptibly less comfortable to do that. I will turn my head if I absolutely need to, but I don't make it a habit. Without a helmet, on the other hand, turning my head to check the road behind me is absolutely habitual.

On this basis and on other points, I believe the helmet causes me far more danger than the helmet protects me from. I am speaking personally: I don't know if this applies to other people and I would personally not dare to use headphones or check texts while cycling.

I obviously will never know for sure if I'm right about this, but generally not wearing a helmet is the decision I believe is correct for me.


Yes, you're probably right - it's less comfortable to turn head often in a helmet. And I also suspect that this effect may be due to a helmet suppressing or distorting sound transmitted via skull bones, making it harder to locate precisely the sources of sound from behind. Hence this "blindfolded" feeling, although I admit that the helmet itself is barely visible.


This is about bicycle helmets, not motorbike.


Yes, and I'm talking about the bicycle helmets. The only crash I had in my 25+ years of cycling was when I had a helmet - for the first time.


Not from cycling, but I lost a couple of passwords (and who knows what else, but the passwords I can verify) by bashing my head while drunk. The previous day I could log into the email accounts associated with them, the day after I couldn't. None of the other ton of passwords that I use for work were affected and I can still remember nearly all of my older ones. The only correlation is that both of the passwords I knocked out of my head were long standing accounts whose passwords I had changed in the previous month. I still know where roughly on the keyboard they were though.




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