that's a big step towards growing their dev popularity
Looks more like a last straw to me.
There's simply nothing they could realistically offer at this point to lure the web community into their walled garden. Dozens of OSS stacks are competing for mindshare. Microsoft is not even playing.
ASP.NET MVC devastates all web platforms I've dealt with but rails. I realise it's a personal preference thing but you should look into it - it's open source, they got prominent community figures to design it and it lets you use C# (a great growing language) online properly without worrying about ASP.NET crap.
To each their own. If MS can revert their public image to a point where people will seriously consider them for a web development platform then hats off. Until then I doubt anyone in their right mind would trust the creator of Internet Explorer and IIS with anything web related.
It's not anecdotical evidence, it was in question of this: "Until then I doubt anyone in their right mind would trust the creator of Internet Explorer and IIS with anything web related."
So, from what I can gather, Spolsky and Attwood are:
A) Out of their minds (possible?)
B) Are limited and going to have issues since it's built on the Microsoft stack.
Edit: Also, I didn't know if you knew SO was built on the Microsoft stack, I was asking a legitimate question.
Yes, I knew SO was built on MS, Jeff is known as a Windows guy. Just tried to clarify that one swallow doesn't make a summer. For each windows based website I can show you five built on proper tooling (literally, if the netcraft figures are to be believed).
I wouldn't say the two are out of their minds. "Misguided" is more polite, I guess.
More stuff is written in java than lisp. Does this much java a better language by your definition?
Until you can show that using the new Microsoft technology we are talking about (and MVC has only just come out) actually increases development time by a significant factor or some other significant problem, labelling it "improper tooling" is simply identity-based Microsoft hate.
hahaha, I can handle being misguided if I get to release two successful business ventures in my life.
In any case, I'm not arguing with you on the popularity of the two for sure, but I am happy MS is deciding to get their act together and really try to compete, however slow and small their steps are.
Edit: Okay you got me curious, why was this down modded? Was it outside the scope of the conversation? Or was it the comment about Spolsky and Attwood?
Looks more like a last straw to me.
There's simply nothing they could realistically offer at this point to lure the web community into their walled garden. Dozens of OSS stacks are competing for mindshare. Microsoft is not even playing.