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Gender-neutral pronoun.



We have one of those already, it's "they".


I sometimes use that, but it feels awkward to me when referring to a specific person. And in this case, I think that at one point I was using "they" to refer to the employees, and didn't want the ambiguity.

(I'll note that I've had this discussion multiple times before. I'm fine with people expressing disapproval of my choice, but please assume that I'm not making it out of ignorance.)


It takes some getting used to, but I think "they" is still a lot less awkward than using a completely new word.

My post was probably more condescending than necessary.


I immediately assumed you were putting on a comedy german accent. But for obvious reasons, I had some difficulty figuring out why you were doing this.


"You" already has this problem and we can deal with it.

Pronouns often need disambiguation anyway.


'They' can be confused with a plural pronoun and a lot of people feel it's grammatically incorrect to use it to refer to a singular person.

The problem with gender-neutral singular pronouns is that there are many of them originating from different contexts. Each group or person tries to get their pronoun - ve, ze, co - adopted as standard but it's difficult because they're invented, so nobody knows about them, so you have to have this discussion every time you use one.

I'm friends with an asexual person who doesn't identify as male or female, and ze asked me to use the "ze" pronoun when referring to zer. I do in zer presence but there's no way I'm going to drop a sentence like that when somebody asks what I did yesterday. I just want to continue the conversation rather than have an involved discussion about gender norms.


For what it's worth, most of the time I use ve nobody says anything. Probably they just think it's a typo, unless I use it multiple times. I'm okay with that. I've also used it in real life without comment.


Interesting. I also would have thought it was a typo except you used it three times in a row. I wonder if people think it's a slip of the tongue when said out loud.

Thanks for the comment :)


But this way you get to flag yourself as an SJW.


I can see why you'd make that assumption, but I assure you I'm not.


Fair enough ;-)

I'm fairly old fashioned, though. I still cringe when I hear actresses described as "actors", for example. Just because you have gendered names for the same job it doesn't make one inferior.


Ve sounds too much like a caricature German saying "we".


You nicked that from Greg Bear's Permutation City didn't you?


I meant Greg Egan.


You probably also meant Diaspora. :) (That's where I got it from - I don't remember it being in Permutation City.)


Ah, yup, that's the one. Got them mixed up, but love his stuff.




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