On: Mozilla Brick

[pjmlp]

I hope the apps market keeps recovering. This will put pressure on dinosaurs like browsers pretending to be an OS.

[tkubacki → pjmlp]

yea because it's much better to have closed, restricted app markets (like Apple, Google, Microsoft ones) than web standards.

[CmonDev → tkubacki]

It's a choice between restricted standards that hinder technology innovation and restricted markets that hinder business.

As a technologist I hope that de-facto monopolic legacy poorly-designed technologies (JS and HTML) will give way to new better technologies.

I am very happy that at least mobile still gives developers many options - mostly without lame transpilation.

[tkubacki → CmonDev]

Restricted App Store rules eg. disallowing external web browsers or interpreters hinder technology much more than web standards.

Talk is cheap - would love to see some of yours "not lame" piece of work.

[CmonDev → tkubacki]

E.g. iOS lets me use: Objective C, Swift, C#, F#, Java, Scala. All compiling to lower-level code that is either native to platform or native to the language.

Web lets me use: only JavaScript (that is written manually or transpiled).

Yes I will have to pay extra for some solutions, but I don't mind doing this as opposed to using language that I hate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[tkubacki → CmonDev]

> iOS lets me use [...]

And Web Components are bringing innovation (component based app building) to rusty world of web dev which is not restricted to rich western society (Apple).

I stopped ranting on JS - just use lang with good enough IDE like Dartlang (DartEditor or IntelliJ)

PS: previous comment was not "ad persona" - but if you think transpilation is "lame" - you don't know how hard it's to make performant transpiler and how wonderful piece of tech are some of those transpilers

[pjmlp → tkubacki]

Society has lot of mobile OSes to chose from, not only from Apple.

[pjmlp → tkubacki]

You means the standards where each browser version has its own view of the world, or the standards where the applications get executed behind a HTTP(S) key hole?

[sp332 → pjmlp]

This is missing the point of Firefox OS. It's not meant to go head-to-head with other mobile OSes, it's a development platform for new phone-oriented HTML APIs. When Firefox OS started, there was no way for a web page to use a phone's webcam, or to act as the phone's dialer. The existence of Firefox OS means that other mobile OSes can use their standardized and tested APIs to make HTML more powerful.