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Teaching should be a business. Then the best models of teaching will get the best customers. When you have schooling as a government service, there is little incentive to provide good education.

Going to school is probably the most miserable experience of my life. It's up there with having a job that started at 7:30 AM.




The teaching as a business model is what's broken. It seems to work pretty damned well everywhere else.

And what does your personal experience of that model have to do with it? A lot of people have adjusted schooling hours to better reflect children's biological rhythms. The specific failures of your personal education need not be systemic issues.

Finally, the fundamental issue with education is that it is meant as the great equalizer in society meant to put everyone on a decent pedestal to start things off. It is fundamentally unfair that some children be better educated than others for any reason whatsoever. Scandinavian countries have been aware of this and, while it's never a solved issue, have been doing substantially better than their peers in most areas.


Please let me know where all these kids who love school are.

Besides, it doesn't matter what your schooling is as much. Someone who has rich parents and a high school diploma has a higher income than someone with poor parents and a college degree.

Also, you can educate yourself for free on the Internet. I learned more this way than I did in college.


> Please let me know where all these kids who love school are.

Oh, they exist. They're smack in the middle of the IQ standard distribution curve, that part of the curve for which the educational system was designed. They don't have to be dissuaded from original thoughts, or curiosity, or a tendency to question what they're taught, because these are inbred instincts.


The kids at my school who were average didn't love school. They'd rather be playing outside. What school did you go to?


This I agree with strongly.

It's hard for kids to love school; schools are prison. The only cases of people liking school I know were: a/ the bullies, b/ people in schools that are not run like prisons (my high school was that), c/ kids who developed Stockholm syndrome towards the school.

I suspect that c/ is actually an important goal of schooling - because such people make great employees later.


I loved school because I enjoyed learning and was the top of the class. I had a compulsion to finish every test first, and have the highest score. IMO, I was born to learn, and would have succeeded in almost any type of educational system.


There are plenty of for-profit colleges, and by and large they are complete scams. Color me highly skeptical.

In the real world most education is government subsidized, and the counterexamples that do well seem to run on a non-profit model.


That's because of the twisted market government has created. In the real world, most roads are built on taxpayers money and police is paid for using tax money of the very same people they beat up. But is this real world a place you want to live in? If I don't like how I myself or my children are being educated (protected, treated), I should be able to stop paying and go buy someone else's services immediately. Without that, the feedback loop is broken and the system stops working properly.


That's a fine bit of moralizing, but the reality is you have to illuminate a sane path from here to there. Most the paths I've seen proposed do not seem in the least bit viable.


What paths were proposed and which ones didn't seem viable to you and why?


The ones I've seen are things like vouchers and charter schools. They are solutions that don't compose.


But the only sane way to run a non-profit is to run it as a normal company with the twist that all profits are reinvested at the end of the year.


You got it exactly backwards.

The best models of teaching will not get best customers. The best models of getting kids into college will win. That's what parents pay for. Which is a very different goal than any actual education.

When you have schooling as a government service, when the school doesn't have to care about stupid things like getting money, then they have time to focus on some weird and short-term-unprofitable things like actual education.


In that case there can be schools geared towards uni prep and others for education. Choice would open up, not close!


If school were for-profit, what incentive would there be to provide quality schooling to those who can only afford to pay very little, or can't afford to pay at all?




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