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The Oldest Song in the World: A Sumerian Hymn Written 3,400 Years Ago (openculture.com)
92 points by pje on July 9, 2014 | hide | past | favorite | 18 comments



Its unlikely musicians used equal temperament 3,400 years ago. This is a guess, and that fact is reinforced by the other "interpretations" referenced in the article. It's fun to imagine, but this not a "Rosetta Stone for music" moment.


There are several harp images at one of the links, whose string lengths should hint at the scale(s) used: http://www.greenwych.ca/evidence.htm


I can't see where the article makes a reference to equal temperament.

The diatonic scale is particularly interesting in that the tones can be re-arranged into a sequence of very basic harmonic relationships (fifths, which, depending on the tuning, is very close or equal to a 2/3 frequency ratio) that are found in music universally.

Based only on what I read in the article I would have to agree with the idea that it is all a guess, though, but in general I don't think that assumptions should be made on the basis of lack of evidence.


Presumably the reproductions are played on instruments with equal temperament.


Lots of professional MIDI instruments provide for alternative temperaments, which is part of the MIDI 1.0 specification. It's not hard to render things in just intonation.

Instruments like the lyre (second video) are most easily tuned to themselves, so I see no basis for the presumption about that either.


> Lots of professional MIDI instruments provide for alternative temperaments

How about the cheap and nasty MIDI instrument this recording was made with?

I actually really love the fact that this ancient tune, which by virtue of its age is one of humanity's most precious cultural possessions (worth three Great Pyramids, two complete works of Shakespeare, or about thirty Mona Lisas, i'd say), is here reproduced with all the cheesy gusto that Bad MIDI can muster. It's like printing the Odyssey on toilet paper. In comic sans.


But you still don't know what it should be tuned to.


You can use a tuning fork, but that doesn't matter. Temperament is about the tuning relationships between notes of the scale. In equal temperament they're slightly enharmonic, ie adjusted away from ideal harmony in order to allow transposition into different keys. This doesn't sound as pretty, but it's 'equally bad' across all keys and we're used to it. If you tune strings against each other then the intervals are consonant. Your starting pitch can be rather arbitrary as long as you're not trying to match it to any other instrument. If you are trying to match to another instrument (in ancient times, a horn was the most likely candidate) then you blow a note on that and tune one string to it.

Musical key intervals are based on simple mathematical ratios, which haven't changed in the interim.


Yes, but ultimately using a subset of tones that aren't equally tempered and could as well be played on an instrument that isn't.


Its unlikely musicians used equal temperament 3,400 years ago.

Interestingly, the wiki article states that one or more of the tablets also contains instructions for tuning the harp.

It would be interesting to know more about that, and how the tuning system could be used to lend weight to different interpretations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrian_songs


Is this the closest we have to a Rosetta Stone for music though? Or what may the others be?


I believe the article may be talking about the Hurrian Songs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurrian_songs

This is an interesting point from the wiki entry:

Astonishingly, there are no known terms corresponding to a single note, or to intervals of a seventh or seventh

I'd like to hear some other views on how these tablets have been interpreted.

(as an aside: I'm under the impression that it's wrong to describe these as Sumarian, as they were a quite distinct and separate group)


The start of the piece sounds very much like "Ode to Joy".


It reminds me of the Ocarina of Time, can imagine this playing in some shop while the shopkeeper watches my every move.


My gut tells me the first one would get somebody sacrificed, but I did like the second.


It's very haunting. I never realized the lyre could sound like this.


The lyre was great, but the tune needed more cowbell.


Where is the link to download the music pls?




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