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$420 * 8 * 5 * 50 = $840,000. Where can a good programmer get paid that?



Billable hours for an accountant or lawyer are usually around 1800/yr. (The job also requires non-billable hours.) That's 420*1800 = $756,000, assuming the accountant themselves takes home the whole fee. But they don't, just as a programmer doesn't take home every dollar of value they bring into the company. If they take home roughly 2/3 of it (generous, probably unrealistic) that's $500k. So how does a programmer get $500k per year?

One way is to perpetually earn $500k on a 5% rate of return from $10,000,000. That's 33% equity in a startup that's acquired for $30,000,000--probably more rare than a tax accountant.

A programmer doing consulting work might make around $420 per billable hour, but probably as a peak rate and not sustainably.

You could combine income streams: a high paying software job (that's $100,000-$200,000/yr at the top levels) plus consulting (another $100,000+ worth of contracts in a given year is doable for some) plus some equity as a founder or early employee ($100,000 as 5% return on $2,000,000 in wealth) could get you there. It's not as convenient as putting in hours at an accounting firm, but a lot of good programmers fall into it anyway.


As a consulting programmer, I can imagine you might get paid $420/hr in a few rare cases:

1. You built something really complex and a very rich client needs emergency help with it.

2. You are extraordinarily famous and a very rich client feels they must have you.

3. You are convincingly misrepresenting yourself as a team of 7 hardworking people.

4. You have an unusually efficient way of doing something, so you can win fixed-cost-for-deliverables contracts and execute them in fewer hours.

As for what a mortal working as a consultant can normally achieve, $420/h is more than twice what I would consider a very good rate. Only under very unusual circumstances can I imagine a programmer billing at this rate, even on a large corporate client.

Well, maybe if you were working for a bank...


I make almost exactly $420 an hour when I teach training classes.

Of course, there is much work that went into developing those classes that I get no hourly wage for at all. So I think of it in terms of, "I need to teach x courses a year" rather than $x/hour.

But technically, that is what the client pays.


Goldman Sachs?




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