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I really enjoyed this show, I don't think there has really been anything like it-- but then again I never saw "Betas". Mike Judge brings some interesting things to the table, I had no idea he was a math major and had geeky leanings.
This show has lots of promise, and not just for IT industry folks. It's a great ribbing of the mentality of the giant tech companies who promise to make the world a better place--
"Hooli is making the world a better place through minimal messaging transport layers." -- laughed my ass off.
What did HN think of this show? Did you watch it? Will you keep watching every week?
I find a lot of HBO (and other cable) shows start slow and improve once they find a rhythm. Perhaps because they don't need to immediately grab an audience.
The show did seem a little slow, but looks promising.
I agree. Many of the shows that turned out to be my most favourite began with me not enjoying the first episode or two. That said, I did like this one.
> I find a lot of HBO (and other cable) shows start slow and improve once they find a rhythm. Perhaps because they don't need to immediately grab an audience.
I find that's true of most shows, including those on traditional networks. I don't think its really a cable (or premium cable) vs. traditional network issue.
It is, but basic cable shows are more prone to pull the plug early. HBO, especially, seems to have much more patience. The canonical example would be "The Wire."
It's funny. Much funnier than most of the crap that passes for comedy on TV these days. I think the show is in danger of being a bit too cartoonish, thenagain silicon valley itself is danger of becoming too cartoonish.
I understand that a lot of stereotypes about geeks and silicon valley are true. But someday I'd like to see a show or movie about reasonably attractive, successful, well-adjusted people who happen to work with computers. I see these kind of people all the time in my social circle and it saddens me we/they aren't reflected in pop culture.
Absolutely hilarious. From the Hooli founder or whatever contemptuously observing programmers traveling "in packs of 5" to the self-righteous incubator runner still high off his selling his start-up who-knows-how-long ago...just great stereotypes to poke fun at. And it wasn't too technical either, so as to alienate the general public. I think the most technical thing was "compression algorithm".
I saw SV's first episode and found it overly boring.
I got the jokes and even got a couple of chuckles here and there, but the show as a whole is not worth the hype it currently has behind it. I'll keep watching, however, hoping to be pleasantly surprised.
I loved it, but I'm bias as I love all of Mike Judges work. I don't really find most his his work boisterous comedy, more a charming satire that I can watch over and over and still enjoy.
I do find however when I try to retell scenes from his work I often choke up with laughter more in the retelling than the watching. I can't retell a scene from office space ending up gasping for air LOL I think thats the genius of his work, and I definitely got that feeling watching it.
His other strength is always the depth of his characters, their nuances, and subtly... so they get funnier the more you understand them. The characters from King of the Hill are some of the best thought out characters I've seen on television, the mannerism, reactions, interactions, just brilliant.
From what I saw of the characters there definitely was a lot of that to come, so hopefully as it develops it'll become something truly amazing.
I can't wait to see more of this show for that reason, everything looked promising, and everything looked balanced for great satire.
I liked it, I'll keep watching - it's funny to see the tech memes played back and interpreted and I love the way they exaggerate the silly things about our industry (like the comment you mentioned).
Betas just... got weird at certain points and some of the jokes were a bit out of bounds.
I think it's odd that tech people are comparing this to the Big Bang theory. Big Bang theory dumbs down all of the jokes at the expense of not conveying a genuine culture. This is why it is massively successful in the general population and regected by geeks.
Silicon Valley seems to be the opposite at least based on the first episode. There are at least 4x as many subtle tech memes as there are jokes.
Agreed. I absolutely loathe Big Bang Theory and don't understand why people like it. It consists of cardboard cutout characters with unfunny dialogue.
I watched the Silicon Valley pilot and was on the floor laughing. This is genuine stuff. No comparison.
Big Bang Theory isn't made for geeks; it's made for people who want to laugh at geeks. Mostly, it's made to sitcom conventions and happens to use geekery as the punchline to conventional setups, situations, and timing. It's a show on rails, with ostensible 'nerds' as set dressing. Provided you watch it as a formulaic, mildly entertaining sitcom, it serves that purpose. Occasionally you can nod knowingly at catching Sheldon's obscure-to-the-general-public science references. But if you're the kind of person who catches Sheldon's references, the show's not for you. (In the aggregate, at least. Personally speaking, I enjoy Sheldon, even though I recognize him as a caricature.)
There have been some great commentaries over the last few years about shows for nerds vs. shows about nerds. Compare, for example, Big Bang Theory and Community. The former has more putatively 'nerdy' characters, but it's by no means a nerdy show. The latter revels in its obscurity, geekery, and absurdity, even though only one of the characters is supposed to be a 'nerd' in the vein of BBT's Sheldon. General Population watches BBT for entertainment, but also for a sort of paradoxical validation: to feel 'in' on the nerdery, but mostly to place a safe distance between itself and nerdery. Nerds, meanwhile, watch shows like Community, which make no bones about their nerdery.
Traditionally, the gulf between content 'for nerds' and 'about nerds' has been pretty wide. That's because the non-nerdy public finds the genuine article to be unfamiliar and vaguely threatening. If Judge's take on Silicon Valley succeeds, it will be the first time in years that someone's bridged this gap.
> Big Bang Theory isn't made for geeks; it's made for people who want to laugh at geeks.
It's important to note that BBT's jokes are largely predicated on academia and NOT tech culture since their inside consultant is a physics prof. It's amusing when the "geeks" complain how the show portrays them, when they don't just get the humor having never shared the experiences of the academics on the show.
That said, the volume of nuanced yet poignant physics jokes has dropped since season 1. Still not bad though, and enjoyed by those without the misplaced egos.
The physics jokes are probably the best part of the show, and they're sort of an easter egg for people who get them. That's the part of the show where the effort invested (expert consultant, etc.) really shines through.
In general, I find the show mildly to moderately funny. I'm certainly not offended by it, as a lot of people seem to be. I just take it for what it is. It's a mainstream show that happens to feature some insider humor, rather than the other way around. Characterizations of the show as "nerd blackface" seem misguided, IMO. Legitimately offensive "nerd blackface" would be, for example, the portrayal of Asian-American characters in '80s comedies like Revenge of the Nerds and Sixteen Candles.
All true, but the main point is that the subject of BBT isn't "geeks", which explains the misguided haterade. For example, Raj seeking research/grant funding from Sheldon and their university office sharing hijinx hits home for a segment of nerds who aren't the type to frequent reddit or HN where the "laugh at geeks" narrative became popular.
This is esp. cogent if Community is supposed to be a "proper" nerdy show. The reality is a single-camera format is more conducive to a more subtle script (eg 30 rock, which geeks similarly like) than a cheap/quick multi-cam sitcom. The love seems to stem from the nature of the material, which is conflated with the material itself.
While calling BBT "nerd black face" is over-the-top and inaccurate (see subthread above), what does privilege have to do with offensive stereotypes? Are you claiming that, for groups above a certain level of privilege, there is no such thing as an offensive caricature?
Not exactly but sort of. Think of the effect the caricatures have. Caricatures that are punching up (making fun of rich people, tech geeks, etc) affect people in a way different way than caricatures that are punching down (making fun of the poor, and racial and sexual minorities, etc).
It's similar to the difference between being called the n-word vs cracker.
Plenty of shows taped in front of a live studio audience still sweeten it with a laugh track. But I have no idea if BBT does.
edit: wikipedia says yes. "Sweetening has been used in a number of television series, from older shows like Happy Days, Taxi, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, to newer sitcoms Two and a Half Men and The Big Bang Theory" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweetening
I feel it's a lot like Entourage. Has all the same elements. Entourage is about the Entertainment industry in LA whereas Silicon Valley is about the Tech scene in SV.
Big Bang Theory is a mainstream sitcom, and it has all the "qualities" of a mainstream sitcom set in any situation.
The vitriolic hatred of a certain subsection of geeks merely because of the setting, or god forbid, attempts at serious criticism of not "not conveying a genuine culture" only serves to confirm all geek stereotypes being exploited by that show.
Thanks for the feedback. I was on the fence about whether or not I wanted to check out this series because of problems like this, but I guess if it is well received by the tech community here I will probably enjoy it.
Oh? I've never been all that close to the SV startup scene, and as far as I've been able to tell, that was mock-worthy already. Many good things have come from startups, but maintaining a sense of perspective is a good thing, too.
I like the show a lot. I think it does a good job at mocking stereotypes that are all too prevalent in the industry and playing it off for laughs. Most the jokes are very pointed and I feel easy to miss. The world changing CEO who only a 15 minute conversation with can change your outlook on life. Its great.
I'm confused. So many comments here but the link returns "Not Found. The requested URL /2014/04/mike-judge-silicon-valley/ was not found on this server."
I thought the satire was well-aimed, and my wife and I laughed out loud a few times. My nit is that I was hoping for it to feel less "sitcom-y" for an HBO production. Looking forward to AMC's Silicon Valley drama that's coming -- I believe that one is set in the early 90's, and more of a drama.
This show has lots of promise, and not just for IT industry folks. It's a great ribbing of the mentality of the giant tech companies who promise to make the world a better place--
"Hooli is making the world a better place through minimal messaging transport layers." -- laughed my ass off.
What did HN think of this show? Did you watch it? Will you keep watching every week?