But what happens if you approach your plain vanilla H/C/J writing with these DRY concepts in mind?
One of the reason I would like to use frameworks/libraries is not because of the concepts they introduce, but to basically stop me from going down a rabbit hole and applying the concepts to the extreme. For example, when I am coding something from scratch, and I start to abstract up levels, I just. Keep. Going. I eventually found a soul mate in Knuth with his literate programming, and that has (finally) put an end to the levels of meta abstraction I head into, but I do see (hope) that frameworks will allow me to actually get shit done, instead of traversing the wormhole that is architecture design.
> But what happens if you approach your plain vanilla H/C/J writing with these DRY concepts in mind?
Once you know a technique you can apply it in almost any language and it really doesn't matter which you choose. But that's why it's very important to use good tools when you're starting out. (I'm reminded of an analogous situation where a friend pointed out the irony of personalized golf clubs: a scratch player can pretty much pick up any clubs and play with them, whereas it's the beginners who are still picking up their technique that would really benefit from having personalized clubs).
Frankly, and this is probably not what you want to hear, if you're wanting to learn it right I'd stay away from the web until you've done at least some UI in a well-regarded native toolkit (I'd recommend Qt, whether from C++ or from Python; I've heard good things about the Apple one but haven't used it myself). The web has a lot of legacy cruft and multiple ways of doing something that tend to obscure the principles and make it a poor learning environment, whereas if you've already learnt the basics using something more consistent then it becomes a lot clearer. But by the same logic I'd say that if it has to be the web, you should start with a big, opinionated framework (e.g. Angular) and try to understand its idioms before diving under the covers.
(But then I could never get on with Knuth at all, so your style may be different from mine)
One of the reason I would like to use frameworks/libraries is not because of the concepts they introduce, but to basically stop me from going down a rabbit hole and applying the concepts to the extreme. For example, when I am coding something from scratch, and I start to abstract up levels, I just. Keep. Going. I eventually found a soul mate in Knuth with his literate programming, and that has (finally) put an end to the levels of meta abstraction I head into, but I do see (hope) that frameworks will allow me to actually get shit done, instead of traversing the wormhole that is architecture design.