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No, I don't think they're less monstrous - the fact is that mass populations living so closely together, in architecture that does not motivate their interaction as a neighborhood, is a real problem. There are endless rows of these city-apartment buildings, built to maximize space and landlord profit, which simply puts people into boxes and discourages interaction. Europe is full of these cities. So maybe that is why Vienna - where its entirely unfashionable to despise the city for its physical oppressions - gets the accolades every year.

Berlin, at least, makes an effort to build community in the neighborhood and of course Paris has centuries of history with precisely this notion in its street courses; Vienna has always been an imperial place, and it shows. The impersonality of the architecture seems to have been long-since inherited. They even re-built it this way, after the War .. so I believe in fact the "Concrete Jungle", "City-As-Machine" thing is so strong here, that its just not noticed any more ..




Actually, the quality of living in one of those city-apartment buildings can be quite good. Other than in many other big cities, there are no pure commuter cities in Vienna (every district also has some old village infrastructure at its core) and the level of social segregation is rather low. It sounds to me as if you were rather dissatisfied with your apartment. Maybe you should consider moving to a different part of Vienna.


There are very few parts of Vienna that do not feature as a concrete jungle in my mind. Part of the problem is that Viennese citizens just don't know any different; they think that because they've got heating and access to the S-Bahn, that's all they need.

Sorry, but no: a bit of blue sky would also be nice. Neighborhood retreats that are not commercially driven would be great. Destruction of every 5th apartment building to make a community space would be fabulous.

But it seems the Viennese cannot even deal with turning a shopping district into walking streets without wanting to cannibalize each other. The problem with Vienna is that it promotes dissent between neighbourhoods; even the preposterously named Districts manifest this fact. The Viennese have segregation, isolation, and discrimination built into their city as architectural forms; without some dynamite, there isn't so much hope to change the condition, alas.


What about the Donauinsel, the Prater, the Lainzer Tiergarten, the Wienerwald, and all those smaller parks scattered around the city? I don't think have had much time yet to learn to know Vienna.


I know those parks quite well, and have been here quite long enough to have formed this opinion (>5 years). These parks are wonderful - but they are not within the city limits, and require the use of transportation systems to get to them.

They are great places - no question about that - but the city itself remains monstrous to live in even if you are able to spend a few hours in any of those parks when you can.. Wienerwald is not in the city limits, Donauinsel - just barely - Lainzer Tiergarten also on the periphery. Prater is within the city limits, but this has to be one of the least interesting 'natural spaces' ever created..


I don't know which century your Vienna map is from, but the Wienerwald, the Donauinsel etc. are all within city limits. As I said before, maybe you should considering moving to another district. It took me, erm, 15 years to move beyond the Gürtel -- i.e. closer to the above places. Today I'm asking myself what took me so long.


The city itself is what took you so long. Take a good hard look - did you always know what was beyond the wall?

For the record, I live outside the city limits, at the tip of the Donauinsel, and frequent the area often.. yes, Donauinsel is 'in the city of Vienna', but it still takes on average 3 train rides through the concrete jungle to get there for the average citizen.

Wienerwald is definitely not something I'd consider 'within the city limits' - its close, and the city is surrounded by it, but again - we're talking about the city, not its surrounding towns. The city of Vienna is a concrete jungle, and has been so for centuries - its citizens, and this is my point, have become acclimated to it and no longer see The Wall. Its still there, though. You just demonstrated this fact..




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