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I think there was (and is) a lot of clusterfuck to deal with in this country, including unwinding two wars, and everyone expecting their particular pet issues to be fixed on whatever timetable they personally think (though I've seen no evidence such people bother to give any actual thought to the effort and complexity required to fix their pet issues) best is a symptom of exactly the narrow-minded, self-absorbed attitude that has completely fucked this country.



All that may be true, but it's still inaccurate to claim the GOP blocked President Obama from closing Guantanamo in his first year as promised. Republicans didn't like the idea, but if the President and his party had wanted it as badly as they wanted ACA, they could have had it.


You're either moving goalposts or arguing against a strawman. Nobody said "blocked [...] in his first year".


President Obama signed an order in his first month in office to close the facility within a year. How did the GOP block that order from being carried out? Was there a filibuster I missed?


Nobody said they did. You are the first person in this thread to bring up "within a year", and you did so quite late, your initial comment was categorical and did not address timetables at all. Everyone else understands shit happens, life is complicated, and things sometimes take longer than we want them to.


OK, so when did the GOP "block" Obama from closing the camp? No time restriction, though of course the easiest time to close the camp would have been when he had large majorities in both Houses of Congress, don't you think?

The 2011 NDAA passed by a vote in the House of 341-48 and 93-7 in the Senate. It was then signed by the President. That doesn't look like the GOP blocking anything to me.


Dunno, don't care. You're so all over the place that you've long ago exhausted my interest. But you might notice I never really made any statement about the GOP at all. You may also recall that your comment which I originally replied to didn't mention parties at all, just Congress and the President.

I'm done here, but in the future, it'd be really nice if you'd decide what you're arguing about before you start.


I know you've actually read this thread (we're the only ones at this point!) so you know my original comment was in reply to wavefunction, who claimed the "GOP blocked closing down Gitmo". So your comment about Presidential power being bound by legislation was apropos of nothing?




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