Elon Musk answered a similar question, and identified drive as the only relevant factor:
"How do you stay focused, motivated, and maintain enthusiasm when things don't go the way you'd hoped?
"I think my, sort of, drive to get it done is somewhat disconnected from hope, enthusiasm, or anything else... I actually just don't care about hope, or enthusiasm, motivation... I just give it everything I've got, irrespective of what the circumstances may be... You just keep going, and get it done."
They asked Neil Armstrong what he would do, if engine on Eagle broke and there was zero chance they would return from Moon. He answered: "I would try to fix it"
I don't think that "drive" is anything mysterious at all. It's somewhat the same drive that cause people to play rpg:s for hours and hours going into weeks. Not exactly the same obviously, but related.
I don't think it's the same at all, in the case of RPGs it's the carrot at the end of the stick that drives you. "If I just get +5 strength, I'll be the most awesome guy!"
It requires you to deal with much more of "delayed reward". The ability to deal with such has been described as a feature common to successful people. What I mean is that the strive towards the end goal doesn't have to be primarily rational, although for "delayed reward" to work I suspect that your sense of reward must be a bit more "closely tied to rationality".
You mean the payment system that revolutionized online transactions between individuals and small companies?
Remember how hard it was to pay a freelancer/individual/small company for a service or product online before Paypal?
It was very hard since banks would not approve merchant accounts for every bum that walked into their office :-), and don't even start on international transactions.
The fact that people started abusing them in unimaginable ways (prompting the draconian security measures) is not exactly Musk's fault, and the frozen account issues of the past years might be over once the competition finally gets its shit together (or at least there's other options now)...
It seems you are trying to be cute/follow the meme that it's good to hate on PayPal because of the account freezes and stuff as of late. However, before PayPal it was so hard to make a payment or transfer money to someone. They deserved the success they had for a groundbreaking product. Hating on Musk for decisions the company has made more recently is pure folly.
>It seems you are trying to be cute/follow the meme...
Because no one that's capable of independent thought will come to a different conclusion than you did right? There's no need to be condescending just because you don't agree with me.
Paypal is a shitty company because it fails to support sellers in any meaningful way. Part of this stems from the fact that it isn't a financial institution, so it will always lose to industry standard financial institutions if it tries to fight fraudulent charge backs. Unfortunately this renders the service close to useless for anyone trying to sell anything that's worth more than about $20.
It works great if you want to buy something, because you have a 100% chance of getting your money back if the seller doesn't come through. Unfortunately, people committing fraud against sellers also have a 100% chance of getting their money back, because Paypal doesn't even attempt to investigate these situations properly.
Instead of silently down-voting, why don't you counter with information that supports the opposite? Perhaps you know someone who has a good experience as a vendor that uses Paypal. Sadly, I myself know multiple dealers that shut their accounts down after they got tired of losing money to thieves.
Common lore has it that PayPal's problems began largely after eBay bought them - half their initial staff left after the first year. Early PayPal was very elitist and performance-driven, wheras eBay is famously bureaucratic.
I should disclaim english is not my primary language... but what is the fine line between 'drive' and 'motivation'?
I don't think he is really giving the deep reason why he is motivated (or driven, as you like) to get it done, he's just saying he strongly feels that he has to.
Makes sense. If you don't care about anything else but to finish what you're currently doing, you'll most probably get it done. Like if you really want to finish the film you're watching or the game you're playing or the book you're reading and you don't care about the baby crying or the phone ringing or the food burning or the burglar entering, you'll most probably get it done.
I feel like I'm facing the same problems but in a completely opposite context. He's in a stressful situation every day, unsure what's going to come next, and forced to imperfectly make decisions. His strategy for motivation comes from keeping his eyes on the prize and going with the flow.
I'm in a completely stress free environment - every day blends in with the next; I can just do nothing one day and tell myself I will do it tomorrow. I'm financially stable enough to never be in a do-or-die situation. My passion for my project temporarily died somewhere after 30k lines of code. Yet, it is my dream to finish the project. I have to finish it, it's my self-designated job. But it's such a huge, abstract task, and I can just enjoy myself right now instead. There's literally no reward for working until after another year of it. It's so hard to stay focused and motivated when nothing is at stake.
What if I gave you one hundred dollar bills and said this is all the money you had to spend. Once it's spent, it's spent, and you can never get any more.
How much would you spend on movie ticket? A blissful escape, sure, but you probably have other things to do with your life.
You're only going to live for maybe one hundred years at most, maybe many less. Spend your years wisely.
I agree, I would be super motivated if that was the case, because it would give me a concrete deadline. But it's hard to simulate desperateness, because I could always bail out (unless I gave all my money away, which isn't a good idea). It's not like I'm rich or anything, I just saved up enough money to do exactly this (work on this project full time) for a while, and yet here I am, sitting around struggling to do it.
I want to want to work hard.
I just really need to learn self-discipline.
It's extremely difficult to self-manage if you haven't been in a safe situation to experiment with it.
Personally, I find that the only sensible and generally applicable solution is to set short-term goals based on a formally written project plan to yourself.
You don't ever have to give that project plan to anyone else, but you should write it as well as you possibly can. It should be clear on what kinds of things are feasible to do, what is required, what you can do first to prove the concepts, and so on.
I do this for every project I start, after struggling with the problem in graduate school a bit. It takes about a week per proposal to put something together of reasonably high quality, but by the end you actually probably have a very good sense of the strongest argument you can make to do the project as well as the weaknesses, as well as ideally a logical argument for why it might work based on citable evidence. This would also include things like "this experiment I can do" (translated to "this market idea I can test" in business) will generate some result that is clear and helpful in moving towards your medium term goal -- which is probably to either make enough money or be able to raise enough money to pay yourself and enough staff to move to the next medium term goal.
Then take that medium term goal and break it down not into time-based goals but sensible sub-goals. If you want to build a web service, a first goal might be "I think that people have a use for... I can test that by building... and collect data using... if that works, then it's worth doing the second goal..."
Break it down as small as is sensible to do, but limit this kind of strategizing so that you don't go really far down a road before putting it aside to sit and let you get a fresh perspective. Bounce it off others to see if they can poke holes in your strategy that you didn't think of. And so on.
Anyway, it's not so much self-discipline as it is realizing that big goals are always changing and medium term goals are uncertain. You have to always be able to change those goals based on the actual data you collect. But the short term goals should be achievable. And it will take time to isolate what good short term goals should be.
A good short term goal might be, to start, to make a good start on identifying short term goals...
That's a good idea - even though I'm in the middle of the project, and the project is big enough where a plan of the entire project wouldn't be feasible, I can at least do it for the chunk I am working on right now. I think just being explicit with my tasks would be a huge step. Right now everything is vague and kind of just in this "idea soup" in the back of my mind. Every time I pull out the next idea to work on, I realize I had all the wrong expectations the whole time.
This sort of monetary risk incentive has been very useful for me. There's software to do this. Have you tried Beeminder? I've used it to force myself to build positive habits, including daily exercise and side-project progress. There have been more than a few moments where I've awakened after 11pm realizing that I'd be charged $5 if I neglected to do push-ups during the next hour. In anger, I invariably got up and did them, but now I do them without hesitation each day. Pledge some money on Beeminder, and make yourself do a certain number of focused hours of work each week on your project. Even small financial risks are surprisingly motivational: "No way I'm letting Beeminder take my $5."
Never heard of it, but per your recommendation I watched the intro video. A bit off-topic but... I never have seen such a horrible product video. I couldn't hear most what she said, not only because of the bad presentation but also because of the unnerving background music that makes the speech even more inaudible.
Now it looks like im totally grumpy, but the concept seems nice. Just a reminder to beeminder to delete that awfull video clip.
Have you tried releasing your project in small iterations instead of waiting for a year? Having users use the product that you're building and giving feedback on it is a motivator that works for me. Keeps reminding me __why__ I do what I do every day.
Unfortunately, I can't really do that, due to the nature of the project. It's a game, and I'm building complex part of the engine, and it won't be interesting all until this giant chunk is complete. I have friends that I work with who motivate me, but we all had to move to opposite ends of the world for unrelated reasons, and so now we're working remotely.
I usually go down through the "down to to do list way". This gives me a frame for working, and allows me to be in the state of mind of "this is a job, you signed for it, you do it"More than often some joy of working appears a few times after the struggling
cool story bro ... I stay motivated because if I'm not I will lose my job. this is a good attitude because:
1. If you work at a high performing corp the bar is set high and its a non trivial task to just keep ahead of losing your job.
2. Reminds you its a job, and your #1 job at any job is to do a good job.
3. If your not pushing to do better at your #1 job then its time to focus on your #2 Job, which is find a better job..
That's kinda irrational. Your employer is expecting a certain return on your wages, and your job is to make that return. Anything past that is a bonus from their perspective, and might get a reward.
If you are making an adequate return, but someone else might be able to make a better one, they will instead shuffle you into work where doing extra good doesn't generate much extra return. No sane employer fires good employees for not being exceptional.
(If you are working at an unpleasant cull the bottom 10% type place, that's a pretty low bar)
Staying motivated is simple: don't work on boring shit.
That may sound like a shallow phrase, but I've been there. You've convinced yourself that you're working on the most awesome thing in the world. You keep thinking that you're supposed to be motivated, because what you're doing is great. But deep down, you know that you'd rather do something else.
At that point it usually boils down to rewards. Is the reward worth continuing?
If the answer is yes, go on. Shouldn't be a problem.
If the answer is no, you know why you aren't motivated. Drop it, look for something else.
But it's not that simple. Not that simple to drop something when it's 70% complete, not easy to find something new that won't also become boring at 70%, and not easy to start from scratch.
Plus, with every failure, you lose a little bit of trust in yourself and belief that you can get things done.
There's always a point where the motivation is just gone and you have to push through somehow, and if you can't get this thing done, chances are that you won't be able to do it the second or third time, either ...
My attitude towards major decisions comes from an incident in my childhood. I make them and then see whether they stand up to the lesser tests along the way - reason and reality.
It's not willpower for me, it's not even trying to focus on something. It's making a choice and meaning it - really meaning it: I'm gonna do this, you'll have to kill me (or the idea as the case may be) to stop me. Then I've got something to work with. What that decision is at the time isn't the most important part. Try to talk yourself out of that decision - depending on the time and resources, try to get other people to talk you out of it - if you fail then do the thing, if you succeed then don't. If it gets far enough, throw the dice and accept what may come with the knowledge you gambled as well as you were able.
The important thing for me is to make that initial choice. I find that works much better than indulging in doubting a course of action that I can't really define. Hesitation is often just another word for freezing, panicking or running away.
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Not that I think that my style of thinking is suitable for everyone. I wonder whether the sort of choice making I'm talking about here is something that everyone can do. For instance, lots of people seem to have the fear that if they get attacked they're not going to act as they want to - which doesn't really make sense if you have the experiences to know you can make a decision and mean it.
I don't do too good with 'motivation' or willpower. I do good with habit. For me, motivation dies and willpower fails. Most of the shit that worked out well for me is stuff that I just kept with.
We had a real good day at the office, I wanna say, Tuesday? After a string of really good days. And I had to physically stop everybody and go get a couple beers from the corner store and HAND them to people to celebrate our rad success. Because it was boring. It honestly was. We do what we do every day, and sometimes we get the bear and sometimes the bear gets us, but if we work hard enough we live another day, and eventually small stupid wins pile up.
I love your post. Not just because the Weeds reference made me laugh, but because not all of us are living a lifestyle far and above everyone else.
Because some of us have trouble going on every day, but we have to give it everything we have - or, at least, we know that's what we need to do to progress beyond where we are - and it's motivational to know that even people who aren't Success Factor Superhuman Outliers 10X Winner Ass-Kickers are out there, too.
I could make an equally compelling argument for being both an ultra 10x super ass kicker and a total loser. It depends on the day, really. I'm probably having an ass kicker week this week. It's difficult to be certain, as keeping the ups and downs from affecting you personally is a survival skill, and what happened this week is a factor of a bunch of shit I did months ago, and what I focus on today won't matter for months into the future. Because of this weird time distortion, the only way I can function personally is just showing up and going at a sustainable pace for a long, long time.
But it is very elon musk "don't believe in hope". If getting shit done was contingent on things working out according to plan I'd have quit years ago.
If you're near the beach, try surfing, and especially at the end of a long day of work. Not only is it great exercise, but also can be a very transformative experience. Refreshing in both the physical and mental sense. This gives me motivation and focus in other things I take on.
I'm so tired of seeing motivation hacks, or similar stuff. If something supposed to motivate you doesn't motivate you enough, that supposition is just plain weak and has no deeper place within you. That's it. Be yourself. That's the ultimate motivation. Nothing else can be motivating you more than that, and shouldn't be, unless you want to be someone else, or as hollow as possible.
I'll take a crack at the problem. What motivated me to lose 10 pounds, was a bet I made with my brother. I told him if I don't do Insanity (workout program) everyday I'd take a picture with myself in a dress. Now he was holding me responsible and I had this negativity driving me. I finished the full program.
I just did a similar thing with my co-founder for my start up except with cold calling. We've broken our sales record this week. Bottom line I think negativity motivates me more personally than positivity. Lastly whatever it is, try to make that a habit, so you have to force yourself to do it at the exact same time and place. (my two cents).
I only work on projects I have a deep interest or passion for. Nothing kills motivation more than non-interesting work. A close second is ensuring you're on a great team.
I agree w/other comments that taking breaks helps, but I haven't found that to be as important as those two (passion and team). You can take as many breaks as you want throughout the day, but if you're stuck having to return to non-interesting work or a team you'd rather not work with, you'll still find it hard to get motivated and maintain focus.
While staying focused in a startup is important, it's nice to have freedom to explore new ideas and thought processes outside of the core product.
I've seen plenty of startups hyper-focus on one product and fail because they couldn't position their product in the marketplace properly (seeing the forrest-through-the-trees).
The problem only exists if you have it. It doesn't really exists, but seems to exist if you let it exist. Ostensibly this advice seems not helpful as it doesn't solve the problem, but by not acknowledging it, the problem is solved. You can of course choose to manifest this problem as another problem that is solvable, which can mean mid-life crisis etc or whatever task you seek to be productive at.
Not really, you do run into limits imposed by your brain and no amount of ignoring the problem will help you.
The brain is an organ, so it's really kind of like you can't run forever because your muscles tire out or you can't lift a car to save your own life (even though technically both are possible)...
It's impossible to express or study something that is ineffable. It's like extrapolating an underlying mechanism to quantum physics. You might get a model. Your model might be consistent, but the model is never guaranteed to be true or be anything better than lucky.
Study some Daoism, Socrates, decideability, and other such intellectual resources regarding perception, conditional existence, and the possibility of solutions.
I get a high state of spirit from attacking whatever is in front of me. My progress begets progress. If I don't have progress, I start. Convolution of the topic of motivation is basically procrastination unless what you're doing is not leading you even on a meandering path to your goal, in which case you need more goals and to be involved in activities with more potential. I work on FOSS, maintain and develop FOSS, help users with the FOSS I work on, and there's no doubt that it pays off, monetarily and in terms of potential. Therefore, I am never in contact with this problem. I've worked dead-end jobs to get into financial and skill position to work high-potential jobs. Any time I'm not in such a position, I seek ways to get into such a position. The problem of motivation is rhetorical. Expecting an answer might give you one, but the existence of a problem or a solution to something that is axiomatic is a dead-end unless you get lucky and something totally outside your perception leads you to believe that you have a solution and a problem and that the two together have given you motivation.
Starting off by saying a bunch of vague things and then mentioning quantum mechanics is a really good way of turning away most readers. Do you want to have a constructive conversation, where you communicate concrete and meaningful things, or do you want to just give off the appearance of sophistication?
Wah. While this was going on, I finished a re-write of the Android billing APIv3 integration in Kivy. https://github.com/knappador/billing-example Please test the provided binary and post logcats of failures. Interested in more devices and Android versions.
When I rest I feel utterly lifeless except that my throat burns when I draw breath...I can scarcely go on. No despair, no happiness, no anxiety. I have not lost the mastery of my feelings, there are actually no more feelings. I consist only of will. - Messner on the first solo ascent of Everest
There is no secret, it is willpower. Every person draws willpower from their own unique place. Find yours.
simple:
i do other things. i take breaks. i work a healthy 35h a week or so (of actual work, not of checking imgur/facebook/reddit/emails/coffee/what not)
i think its well covered elsewhere. if spend too much time focusing on work, you'll lose that focus entirely.
How do I motivate myself? That's kinda hard to explain. It involves a lot of inner demons and mindsets that date to my childhood growing up dirt-poor in rural southeastern NC. But what it boils down to lately it this: I'm 40. I'm not getting any younger. I haven't yet accomplished my most outlandish dreams. And I have never been crazy about accepting mediocrity. I don't want to live an average, boring, moderately successful life. "Go big or go home", whatever.
So, for the past two years or so, my mindset has been "I'm basically out of 'at bats'. I don't get any more chances to make my dreams come true. I do this now, or I load my car with booze, drive to Vegas, and pull a 'Leaving Las Vegas' routine."
I just hope I can find a girl who looks like Elisabeth Shue. I <3 Elisabeth Shue.
I also draw a lot of inspiration from music. Since Suster started the Eminem references, here's one of my favorites:
Of course, you have to realize, I grew up in the 80's, in the era of the "80's feel good movie" where the underdog hero has his back to the wall, all the odds against him, and through hard work, dedication, (and a training montage, of course) ultimately perseveres and triumphs over evil. Those are the kind of metaphors that are pretty deeply lodged into my psyche.
It also helps that I simply enjoy the act of creating things, and right now, my goal is to create this company that I have in my head. I see what we're capable of building and where this can go, and I want to make that happen.
Even more difficult. You have an offer to sell your company. Should you? You might net $1 million and that would change your life. But everybody is telling you not to sell and instead to “go for it” and you don’t know whom to listen to.
One. Million. Dollars.
I know it’s not what it used to be, but news flash – it’s still a million dollars!
How can you wake up every day and process that decision. Five million? Ten?
This reminds me of the (in)famous "An acquistion is always a failure" discussion[1]. I said what I have to say[2] about this, in that thread.
"How do you stay focused, motivated, and maintain enthusiasm when things don't go the way you'd hoped?
"I think my, sort of, drive to get it done is somewhat disconnected from hope, enthusiasm, or anything else... I actually just don't care about hope, or enthusiasm, motivation... I just give it everything I've got, irrespective of what the circumstances may be... You just keep going, and get it done."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOPgM7Sc2VQ