> But by my reading, you do actually believe that.
The problem is, my clarification and your subsequent agreement don't mesh with reality. So yes, I don't believe that people should have total privacy over whatever means of communication they wish, because I don't believe it's realistic, not necessarily because I don't believe privacy should be considered.
You actually explain it best:
> "I'm not saying that all communication channels are designed in such a way as to make that possible, but for those that are, I believe that's completely ok."
And here we have a problem. What exceptions do we allow? What's reasonable? What makes one communication method okay to not expect privacy from, and another to make it a right?
Is it the use of standard encryption methods? Is it the intent of the owner? Should it be technical capability?
So, when you say that people should be able to engage in total privacy, and I say they can do that already, my follow up is to clarify what you really mean. Clearly, I was wrong (despite you agreeing to what was said). Their are limitations on a person's rights to engage and expect total privacy.
And this might all seem pedantic, but it's really the core issue, because even you realize that not all methods qualify for a level of privacy.
Where do we draw the line, because all the discussions seem to miss that crucial mark.
So yes, when I was asked that loaded question, it's because it was assuming intent that simply didn't exist.
I've learned my lesson though. Next time, instead of trying to say only what I mean to say, I'll add a bunch of words and sentences, maybe repeat myself a few times, and state my position, despite the fact that it shouldn't matter.
Edit: In case theirs any question as to why I'm asking these things, it's because of comments like this:
The problem is, my clarification and your subsequent agreement don't mesh with reality. So yes, I don't believe that people should have total privacy over whatever means of communication they wish, because I don't believe it's realistic, not necessarily because I don't believe privacy should be considered.
You actually explain it best:
> "I'm not saying that all communication channels are designed in such a way as to make that possible, but for those that are, I believe that's completely ok."
And here we have a problem. What exceptions do we allow? What's reasonable? What makes one communication method okay to not expect privacy from, and another to make it a right?
Is it the use of standard encryption methods? Is it the intent of the owner? Should it be technical capability?
So, when you say that people should be able to engage in total privacy, and I say they can do that already, my follow up is to clarify what you really mean. Clearly, I was wrong (despite you agreeing to what was said). Their are limitations on a person's rights to engage and expect total privacy.
And this might all seem pedantic, but it's really the core issue, because even you realize that not all methods qualify for a level of privacy.
Where do we draw the line, because all the discussions seem to miss that crucial mark.
So yes, when I was asked that loaded question, it's because it was assuming intent that simply didn't exist.
I've learned my lesson though. Next time, instead of trying to say only what I mean to say, I'll add a bunch of words and sentences, maybe repeat myself a few times, and state my position, despite the fact that it shouldn't matter.
Edit: In case theirs any question as to why I'm asking these things, it's because of comments like this:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6519416
"All you should really have to have in order to keep a conversation private is the intentions."
Suddenly, I'm violating rights just because I happen to overhear someone talking quietly in public.