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When did unconstitutional massive surveillance become justice?



The same day that everyone agreed "Roadside Safety Checks" (police looking for drunk drivers under the auspices of checking children's carseats at 1AM) was the lesser of two evils (Drunk drivers killing innocent people is a greater evil than everyone's 4th amendment rights being violated).

To a lesser extent, anytime that politicians frame an issue with the two phrases "it's for the good of the public" and "it's not a problem if you aren't guilty", they're generally trouncing a constitutional right, or greasing the tracks for it to inevitably happen.


I'm hoping driverless cars begin to make people realize how intrusive these types of stops really are.


When it comes to public safety, the American people stand ready for intrusions of all kinds, it is truly for our own good. Government agents are privy to secret information unknown to the public, therefore we have no choice but to submit.


That's an excuse which can be abused for anything up to making a police state. It's all about how far is acceptable. Surely not "all kinds".


What does massive surveillance have to do with the Lavabit action?


It's the cause for it.




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