On: Entropy Crushers

[lifeisstillgood]

so we have highly skilled technical practitioners, intimately familiar with the codebase, such as that found in the "commit hierarchy" of Linux/git.

i cannot equate them with PRoject/product/programme managers, especially not with the overriding focus on planned dates.

We have a industrial management system based on the physical needs of large scale factory style production. And it is ignoring the management styles of the creAtive industries - where there is always a commit hierarchy and this not in it are ignored or supply finan e

[fbuilesv → lifeisstillgood]

I like your last paragraph. I don't know what the future will bring but I totally agree that today's world works mostly under an old school, factory-style management regime, which is not efficient in industries like ours.

Having said that, I personally still see value in some of those old practices. As [lukatmyshu] mentioned in this thread:

Think of [PMs] as oil in an engine. The best ones know how to communicate extremely well, are paragons of organization, and know how to facilitate decision making.

Instead of getting in the way they make life easier for everybody. I do understand that's not the typical experience for most people in our line of work.

[lifeisstillgood → fbuilesv]

At the risk of dragging on a thread, I would suggest that a job function that requires "the best" before it adds significant value, and otherwise is anecdotally a -1 sounds like a job function it's risky to hire for.