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You need to prevent the rot before it starts.

Let's not get too ahistorical here, a lot of what we have today was implemented (if not established) in the freaked-out aftermath of 9-11. Yes, I know, Clinton rendered/tortured, etc. but it wasn't institutionalized through the PATRIOT act and associated mechanisms yet. There were certain people who used, intentionally, the hair-on-fire emotions of the times to expand government powers to the insane degree we are dealing with now.




Expansion in times of crisis, real or perceived, is an old pattern.


Right, which is why prelapsarianism is not a useful strategy. It's impossible to prevent rot before it starts, because it has always already started.


I don't know why I bother with common turns of phrase on HN, someone always reduces it symbolic logic and springs an a-ha on me.

Yes. Of course it's "always started". That doesn't render my point completely empty, because there is always a before to take as a starting point.


Common turns of phrase wouldn't be so troublesome if they were simply avoided in favor of direct language and makings of actual points. "We have to fight these things when they come up, but we tend not to," or whatever, instead of defensive profundity. Language is a lossy codec for thought, metaphor doubly so.


Agreed. Best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, next best time is now, etc




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