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An Apple-1 Personal Computer (artsy.net)
68 points by sethbannon on July 1, 2013 | hide | past | favorite | 37 comments



David Sheff has a really great story about the night Steve Jobs met Andy Warhol:

"Andy took Sean’s spot in front of the computer and Steve showed him how to maneuver and click the mouse. Warhol didn’t get it; he lifted and waved the mouse, as if it were a conductor’s baton. Jobs gently explained that the mouse worked when it was pushed along a surface. Warhol kept lifting it until Steve placed his hand on Warhol’s and guided it along the floor. Finally Warhol began drawing, staring at the “pencil” as it drew on the screen."

"Warhol was mesmerized–people who knew him know the way he tuned out everything extraneous when he was entranced by whatever it was–gliding the mouse, eyes affixed to the monitor. Haring was bent over watching. Andy, his eyes wide, looked up, stared at Haring, and said, “Look! Keith! I drew a circle!”"

http://davidsheff.com/article/the-night-steve-jobs-met-andy-...


>“Look! Keith! I drew a circle!”

And this was pretty much the extent of Andy Warhol's artistic ability.

It's a travesty that one of this man's photographs is one of the top ten most expensive pieces of art ever sold, when there's literally hundreds of thousands of artists who produce better work with less resources.

Good artists work hard. People like Warhol are just con men.


Art isn't about copying something so that it looks realistic. Anyone with a decent amount of hand-eye coordination and patience can learn how to draw photorealistically and learn the techniques to copy a cup in front of them onto a piece of paper and make it look damn real.

But it's hard to understand that art isn't about realism, because it's hard to get out of that perspective of thinking: "I can do that."

Well, you probably could. And you probably, given enough time and patience, can learn how to paint like Leonardo da Vinci.

Any child can be taught how to play some songs by Mozart. Given enough time and patience, someone with relatively good coordination will be able to play many very difficult pieces by the greatest composers.

But no one would honestly say that a piece of music is good only if it is difficult to play. That's just ridiculous. Some of the best music is playable by anyone who has been practicing for a few years.

And no one would say that you are as good as Mozart because you could play one of his pieces on the piano.

Many artists are, however, technically good. The reason for this is because they paid their dues before reaching the higher level of talent, a real understanding of their medium. But this isn't necessarily always the case.


I think you shouldn't look at Warhol as some kind of technically superior artist. I like this quote from Robert Rosenblum (an art historian): "Warhol’s art is itself like a March of Time newsreel, an abbreviated visual anthology of the most conspicuous headlines, personalities, mythic creatures, edibles, tragedies, artworks, even ecological problems of recent decades. If nothing were to remain of the years from 1962 to 1987 but a Warhol retrospective, future historians and archaeologists would have a fuller time capsule to work with than that offered by any other artist of the period."

If you want to learn more, I'll shameless plug this post: http://artsy.net/post/matthew-10-reasons-why-andy-warhol-mat...


This is a ridiculous, ill-educated statement that shows a lack of understanding of history, art and the facts of Andy Warhol's technical drawing ability.

1. Art and it's ability to effect people's emotion and intellect has never been (and never will be about) the technical ability of the artists alone. Art is as much about ideas and emotion as it is about craft. Especially since the advent of photography.

2. If you ever stand next one of Andy Warhol's pieces you will appreciate the skill he used. For one, they are often huge: his Chairman Mao in the Met takes up a whole wall. If you only ever see a reproduction of an Andy Warhol you will never appreciate this. Also, although he was trying to say something interesting about the mass-production of art you can see that even his prints were hand-produced and often have manual brushwork on them.

3. If you look at his early work you will see that he was a very skilled draughtsman, illustrator and pen & ink-smith. He hand-drew illustration for magazine, adverts & products so was being paid and appreciated for his skill in the tough world of graphic design before he became a renowned artist.

4. It is hard to imagine what the world was like before somebody invented something that became so prevalent that it is now seen as obvious. Every young artists with access to a screen printing machine has a go at making an Andy Warhol-esque print, most courses in screen printing will include a lesson where people make pop-art, repetitions and colourful squares. It seems obvious now. But when Andy Warhol first did it it was a revolution and a revelation. That is why people liked them so much - they were new, pretty, thought-provoking and very clever.

Go to the Met. Look at the canvases. You might be surprised.


I've taken quite enough art and art history classes. At one time, I was planning on attending art school. I had a modest amount of talent, but not nearly enough money.

I've also been to art museums both in the United States and in Europe. Modern art is, for the most part, a sham.

When speaking about art, it's always going to be a matter of opinion. I don't share yours, and you don't share mine. That doesn't make me ignorant or ill-educated.

In my opinion, it's a goddamn shame that people like John Singer-Sargent are relatively unknown while idiots are spending hundreds of millions of dollars on poor-quality photographs because the artist happened to be a gifted bullshitter.

Like I said, real artists work hard, Andy Warhol was known for spending the majority of his life socializing and doing narcotics.

Also, his drawings weren't terrible, but I'd rate his skill about the same level as a talented 14-year old.


Andy Warhol never did narcotics. There are a few stories describing situations where he may have done coke, which he denied. The only drug he was known to have taken regularly was a precursor to adderal. He was a very prolific commercial artist and had produced thousands of illustrations, posters and ads before he started employing others to do his gallery work.


Being prolific doesn't make one talented, this article has quite a few of his illustrations, and they simply aren't very good. His work doesn't show unique signs of genius, they just look like the same types of drawings produced by people who are still learning to draw.

Anyone on the planet with a hand can learn to draw at a professional level. It just takes time and thousands of hours of practice. Andy Warhol didn't put in the hours, and because of that his drawings aren't very good. If you can point to a drawing or painting he did that doesn't look like it came from a middle-school art show, I'd love to see it.

http://99designs.com/designer-blog/2012/03/29/andy-warhol-co...


I was responding to your claim that he spent most of his time doing narcotics and socializing. He did not do narcotics and spent most of his time doing art.


Perhaps he didn't do cocaine, but friends of his said he would deny it even as he was in the middle of doing it. So the only people who will ever know for sure are Andy and his friends.

He was also have said to have to take obetrol (the Adderall precursor) as frequently as one might eat tic tacs, so he was still, by your own admission, a drug addict.

Really though, the point I was trying to make is that he wasn't a very good artist, not because he wasn't capable of it, but because he didn't really try. I could produce a dozen such works an hour (his commercial illustrations), and I'm not an artist either. The difference is, I don't claim to be a professional artist.

I'm not mad at him for making a living, or doing what he loved to do. I just don't think that he was a good artist.


John Singer-Sargent is exactly the kind of artist that was replaced by the Photograph.

In my book he was, at best, a second-rate Whistler. I am unsure if he ever produced anything original in his career.

Warhol, in his perverse desire to produce the unoriginal produced something truly original.


Warning: zooming in and examining each component in detail is a huge time suck. Lot's of fun though.


(disclaimer: I work for Artsy where this is hosted )

Agreed, I loved reading the smaller copy on the schematics! I don't understand the electrics but I certainly appreciate the well laid out design of the hardware.


Well, I won't be bidding, but I'd pay a sensible amount for a good print of that photo!


As votes aren't publicized, I'll second that. It's a very nice photo, providing a great deal of information in a clear attractive form.

Straight high-res .PNG at minimum please? or an "order prints here" link as appropriate?


Here's a semi high-res of one of the schematics panels: http://www.digibarn.com/history/06-11-4-VCF9-Apple30/images/...

[edit] Found a more complete, higher resolution version: http://pdfcast.org/download/apple-1-schematic-scan.pdf (you do need to click the download button, and enter a captcha. but it's worth it)

[edit 2] As for the motherboard itself, photos of many Apple Is are available here: http://www.willegal.net/appleii/apple1-originals.htm


(dB. from Artsy here)

I'll find out who owns copyright on that image. My guess is that it was taken by a photographer at Christie's.


I saw the address in Palo Alto and was curious as to where that is now. Looks like it's the Stanford Medical Center Nephrology Clinic http://imgur.com/e2hFXOx.jpg

Also, note even the paper of the user guide and the rivets used to bind the paper. They show great care. Most people (myself included) would have just printed on normal paper and stapled them together.


Apple was never actually "in" that building at 770 Welch Road. It was their answering service and mail drop when they were still in the garage.

Here's a better view of the building:

https://www.google.com/maps?q=770+Welch+Rd,+Palo+Alto,+CA&ll...

The answering service was on the first floor near the front door - right near the map pin in that view.

I have a somewhat embarrassing story about Steve and me and that answering service:

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/h4n5w/i_was_one_of_the...


> So, if I'd joined Apple, I may well have insisted on not getting any stock.

Didn't steve stole the stock and pay of all the first employees anyway?


People are downvoting history now?


He never "stole" stock or pay from any of the early employees, he just never included stock options as part of the compensation, meaning they weren't a part of the windfall when Apple went public. Woz thought they should have, so he gave them some of his.

Also, unimportant sidenote (just trying to be helpful) - the correct way to say that is "didn't Steve steal stock").


thanks for both corrections


"Also, note even the paper of the user guide and the rivets used to bind the paper."

It looks like they're just standard brass fasteners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_fastener

Nothing special. Elementary school kids use them every day.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_fastener not rivets. just pretty generic fasteners.


>Also, note even the paper of the user guide and the rivets used to bind the paper. They show great care.

Yes, using brass fasteners instead of binding the papers into a true book shows a level of care similar to what I did when I was 4 years old in 1976 in my preschool class binding pictures of trees and dinosaurs together.

You seem like a fan of Apple, so I'm sure you can appreciate the exquisite font used on the Clear / Reset / Push button mechanism. It almost looks realistically hand-written instead of sophisticated typography created by a top level designer after months of work. In fact, this entire thing almost looks like it wasn't someone in their garage putting together a prototype on a wooden cutting board.


The point isn't that it's overly professional, but that you can see they tried.


Hey kids! Look at the symbols over the numbers on the top row of the keyboard in the picture. Now compare them to the symbols on the top row of your keyboard. Now compare them both to ASCII symbols 0x20-0x2a.

I grew up on a keyboard like this one. Not on an actual Apple-I, though. :(


Did the keyboard come with it originally?

I find it odd that the cable wires soldered to the connector on the keyboard are not in the order the wires are on the cable, leading to a bit of a snarl.


The Apple I was just a board and you could connect any ASCII keyboard to it. The Byte Shop probably had a standard one they sold with theirs, though.


Any guesses as to what the "3 × 9 in" dimension refers to? Is this a photo, a postcard, the size of one component, or what? I'm thinking that the wooden mounting board would be around 18 inches by 24 inches.


(dB. from artsy.net here)

These dimensions were wrong, now corrected to 15 1/2 x 9''. Here's the full item description.

An Apple-1 motherboard, numbered 01-0025 on the reverse in black ink, Apple Computer 1 Palo Alto Ca. Copyright 1976 etched on obverse, signed 'Woz' in black ink on breadboard area, with four rows of components labeled A-D and columns 1-18, three large filter capacitors, heatsink on +5V regulator, all ICs socketed, MOS 6502 processor marked MOS MCS 6502 1576 in white ceramic package, cassette board connector, 8k DRAM memory, firmware in two 256 x 4 PROMs. 15.5in. (39.4cm.) x 9in. (22.9cm.)


  Design Engineer - S. Wozniak
  Project Engineer - S.Jobs
Interesting to see Woz as 'Design' and Jobs as 'Project'.


Wozniak designed (and built) the Apple I circuit. Jobs was not an engineer, he filled the marketing role.


I believe that is an over-simplification and slightly revisionist take on early Apple history. Jobs was more technical than he is given credit for these days: Atari had employed him as a technician.

However, next to Woz any of us would look like just a marketing guy. Nor would I sugest that anyone but Woz designed the Apple's circuitry.


Here's a cool story on the Macintosh, and a totally unrelated -- but still very cool picture accompanying it.


I would pay for simply having a poster of this. Would love to inspire my kids with it.




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