"Collection directly from the servers" doesn't actually have to mean real time interception of data. It could mean "we send a National Security Letter, and when they comply, they send us the user's data in a TARBALL." That's application level data "directly from the servers" instead of upstream fiber packet traffic.
Greenwald pisses me off and I don't trust him. We know there are 41 slides. They are putting out 1 new slide per day it seems. Just release all of it and get it over with. This seems designed to maximize the Guardian's traffic by doling out the information piecemeal.
If the slide definitely said "Data from internal datacenter taps or backdoors" it would be clear and inarguable. All that would need to be discussed is whether they did this with HUMINT moles, or whether the companies knowingly cooperated.
As it stands now, PRISM could be anything from "Google Takeout NSA Edition" that lets the NSA get a ZIP file of account data after it's been requested via a warrant/NSA, or it could be a hack into Google's servers that somehow allows them to slurp up and intercept data and it flows around the data center.
We don't know, but if Greenwald has other slides that clarify this, just release them, the speculation right now is irresponsible and based on lack of knowledge.
Greenwald pisses me off and I don't trust him. We know there are 41 slides. They are putting out 1 new slide per day it seems. Just release all of it and get it over with. This seems designed to maximize the Guardian's traffic by doling out the information piecemeal.
Today they released a slide (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-surveillance...) that shows NSA upstream fiber-interception (outside company datacenters) + PRISM, but again, it is vague as to what PRISM is.
If the slide definitely said "Data from internal datacenter taps or backdoors" it would be clear and inarguable. All that would need to be discussed is whether they did this with HUMINT moles, or whether the companies knowingly cooperated.
As it stands now, PRISM could be anything from "Google Takeout NSA Edition" that lets the NSA get a ZIP file of account data after it's been requested via a warrant/NSA, or it could be a hack into Google's servers that somehow allows them to slurp up and intercept data and it flows around the data center.
We don't know, but if Greenwald has other slides that clarify this, just release them, the speculation right now is irresponsible and based on lack of knowledge.